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Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by simion314 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #5
karlkatzke wrote: post #3

"If it's boeing I ain't going"

I wonder how many serious problems Airbus have that we simply don't know about because they haven't been caught.

How is this helping, even if Airbus are as bad that does not help the people that were killed, at least after the first crash Boeing should have ground the planes until the problem was completely understood and fixed (in software or other way).

I will wait for the emails and other documents to surface and see how they took the decisions after the first crash, if the engineers reported the issues but nobody listen etc.

Hopefully some lessons will be learned from thins and engineers from other companies like Airbus would speak if shortcuts that are not safe are pushed.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by BonesJustice »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #7
larrik wrote: post #2

Wow, I'd be surprised if some young congressperson doesn't make their career by publicly eviscerating Boeing soon.

I'm thinking of a particular congresswoman that almost certainly isn't going to do it because she'd lose the vote of pretty much every blue collar worker that aspires to have a stable job somewhere like Boeing. It's not an obvious political win. Edit: Ah, the good ol' "reality makes me unhappy so I'll shoot the messenger" down-votes. I don't know why I even comment in any of the Boeing threads anymore.

If it were me, I'd rail against the Boeing _leadership_. Frame it as management's greed putting blue collar jobs at risk (by putting sales and corporate reputation at risk).

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by ilikehurdles »

magtux wrote: post #6

I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

Boeing opened its South Carolina plant to avoid a unionized workforce, and that plant has been responsible for producing these horrific excuses they call airplanes. They had the benefit of a doubt before, but now it's clear that Boeing's leadership, like that of other public companies, values cheap labor over safety.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by tastygreenapple »

magtux wrote: post #6

I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

It didn't always used to be this way - at one point Boeing delivered planes that were substantially safer than their competitors.

Moving the HQ to Chicago was a terrible idea. Companies like boeing should be managed by engineers not salespeople.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by everdev »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #7
larrik wrote: post #2

Wow, I'd be surprised if some young congressperson doesn't make their career by publicly eviscerating Boeing soon.

I'm thinking of a particular congresswoman that almost certainly isn't going to do it because she'd lose the vote of pretty much every blue collar worker that aspires to have a stable job somewhere like Boeing. It's not an obvious political win. Edit: Ah, the good ol' "reality makes me unhappy so I'll shoot the messenger" down-votes. I don't know why I even comment in any of the Boeing threads anymore.

So let's not make a fuss about safety, because of jobs?

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by triangleman »

karlkatzke wrote: post #3

"If it's boeing I ain't going"

What an unfortunate blunder by Boeing.

Until this episode I was deliberately looking for 787's and such when booking international flights, despite what I had heard about the batteries, because I thought Boeing had to be just that much better than Airbus and their unintuitive UI's that I heard crashed AF447.

And now all that good will is gone.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

everdev wrote: post #17
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm thinking of a particular congresswoman that almost certainly isn't going to do it because she'd lose the vote of pretty much every blue collar worker that aspires to have a stable job somewhere like Boeing. It's not an obvious political win. Edit: Ah, the good ol' "reality makes me unhappy so I'll shoot the messenger" down-votes. I don't know why I even comment in any of the Boeing threads anymore.

So let's not make a fuss about safety, because of jobs?

Where did I say that? All I said is that it wasn't a clear political win because it could easily be framed as a jobs issue.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Post by mhandley »

And it's recently emerged that the AoA sensor misread itself may have been Boeing's fault, and due to foreign object damage to wiring:

https://interestingengineering.com/boeing-whistleblowers-rep...

Boeing also has foreign object damage problems on the 787 and on the KC46 tankers. Looks like this story still has a long way to run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/business/boeing-dreamline...

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/u-s-a...

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