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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by bregma »

cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

> I don't get why companies... kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market.

One whiff of the billions in potential revenue and the marketeers go into a rutting frenzy. It's only when they're doing the inevitable follow-up walk of shame that they realize what they've done.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by ConfusedDog »

As a person have actually used TaoBao, JD, and Amazon.cn, I can tell Amazon.cn was far behind them on both execution and product variety. I only have a vague impression of China's rules imposed on business, if they did, for sure Amazon was screwed so badly it didn't move a single inch over the past few years. Literally done nothing at all to compete. I'm not surprised they gave up.

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Post by jimrhods23 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10
supahfly_remix wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"kowtow" -- nice word choice! "In traditional China this ritual was performed by commoners making requests to the local magistrate, by the emperor to the shrine of Confucius, or by foreign representatives appearing before the emperor to establish trade relations." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kowtow

I hate the way I've at least seen people use that word in the US. They almost exclusively use it in reference to China, and it's just awkward. Not racist, but just weirdly racial the way they use it and the tone is gross. Hard to put into words. Apparently this is a controversial revelation to some of you: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2010/12/23/my-pet-peeve-rac...

Why wouldn't you use in reference to China? It originates from the Cantonese language (probably because of the amount of Cantonese speakers in San Francisco back in the day) and in China.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by fantasticsid »

cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

They failed because they were not able to adapt to the Chinese market/have any competitive advantage against alibaba or JD which is the point the article is trying to make. None of what you mentioned is alluded in the article.

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Post by BoorishBears »

jimrhods23 wrote: post #13
BoorishBears wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the way I've at least seen people use that word in the US. They almost exclusively use it in reference to China, and it's just awkward. Not racist, but just weirdly racial the way they use it and the tone is gross. Hard to put into words. Apparently this is a controversial revelation to some of you: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2010/12/23/my-pet-peeve-rac...

Why wouldn't you use in reference to China? It originates from the Cantonese language (probably because of the amount of Cantonese speakers in San Francisco back in the day) and in China.

Most people will know what it means if I say el . But it's like if I only say el when my Mexican friend is around. Just weird, and not necessary.

Or since that example apparently goes over some of your heads, it’s like how some of you only use “bruh” and “yo” and “what’s good” around me, your black coworker and no one else.

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Post by 1PlayerOne »

cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

While your criticism is valid, the article was trying to say that Amazon China was not responsive to local condition and competition. The slow response was the proximate cause of Amazon China's failure, but ultimately even if they were successfully competing they would have eventually ran into the problems you described.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by meddlepal »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #6
mtgx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't prevent American companies from handing over all of their tech IP to China (the one that wasn't already stolen) and attempt to do their bidding at every step. So it's win-win for China -- there's another (American firm) sucker born every minute looking to "enter the huge Chinese market", and the Chinese gov is taking full advantage of that (ultimately) hopeless dream.

It seems to be previous generation tech though

Which is still a better starting point than nothing.

On one hand it sucks that China is abusing its position in the global market, but on the other hand I am really not shedding any tears for greedy corporate America getting screwed for once.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by mmargerum »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10
supahfly_remix wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"kowtow" -- nice word choice! "In traditional China this ritual was performed by commoners making requests to the local magistrate, by the emperor to the shrine of Confucius, or by foreign representatives appearing before the emperor to establish trade relations." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kowtow

I hate the way I've at least seen people use that word in the US. They almost exclusively use it in reference to China, and it's just awkward. Not racist, but just weirdly racial the way they use it and the tone is gross. Hard to put into words. Apparently this is a controversial revelation to some of you: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2010/12/23/my-pet-peeve-rac...

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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by atomical »

fantasticsid wrote: post #14
cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

They failed because they were not able to adapt to the Chinese market/have any competitive advantage against alibaba or JD which is the point the article is trying to make. None of what you mentioned is alluded in the article.

Well, then, I guess the author of the comment must disagree with the article.
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