I wonder if this will be the future of the internet. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the EU tried doing the same.
Not the same at all. EU is just settings rules for the internal EU market.
Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
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Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#12As someone who knows very little about the Internet backbone and networking in general, would this even be technically feasible to do? We know that in certain countries there exist "single points" where a majority of internet traffic flows [0], but if those points get cut off, couldn't you reroute the traffic? Isn't that the point of decentralization in the first place? And if it's technically feasible, would encrypt…
All in all, every connection to outside will be under the control of RKN and the gov, so no matter how you route, you're going through these points. Pretty much the Chinese model—afaik there's not much choice if you're trying to do about the same thing.
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#13The title does not match the article: > The law will create an independent infrastructure for the Russian internet, or "Runet," which will essentially allow Russia to pull up its virtual drawbridges in case of attack.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#14The title does not match the article: > The law will create an independent infrastructure for the Russian internet, or "Runet," which will essentially allow Russia to pull up its virtual drawbridges in case of attack.
If there's technical capability, there's no doubt they will do it, with or without an "attack" (a fake orchestrated attack can always be used as pretext). It's obvious to everyone this will be another Great Firewall.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#15As someone who knows very little about the Internet backbone and networking in general, would this even be technically feasible to do? We know that in certain countries there exist "single points" where a majority of internet traffic flows [0], but if those points get cut off, couldn't you reroute the traffic? Isn't that the point of decentralization in the first place? And if it's technically feasible, would encrypt…
However satellite or other wireless internet not under their control would work unless enforced ad bacculum or through jammers. Anything which depends upon external international IP addresses would break.
VPNs and related would only come into play with unauthorized international connections and the forwarder so it appears traffic is to another domestic address.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
If there's technical capability, there's no doubt they will do it, with or without an "attack" (a fake orchestrated attack can always be used as pretext). It's obvious to everyone this will be another Great Firewall.
Sure, but more importantly, in the event of war it would grant them a strategic advantage to be able to use the Internet exclusively within their own territory. The Internet as this wild west style free-for-all was never going to survive nation-state conflicts. All countries will eventually do what Russia is doing now, then link together based on treaties and economic agreements. Any country that opts to remain on an…
Nation-states also fight with their economies - especially in conflicts protracted enough that production capacity becomes significant.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#17The title does not match the article: > The law will create an independent infrastructure for the Russian internet, or "Runet," which will essentially allow Russia to pull up its virtual drawbridges in case of attack.
If there's technical capability, there's no doubt they will do it, with or without an "attack" (a fake orchestrated attack can always be used as pretext). It's obvious to everyone this will be another Great Firewall.
If your power plants are at risk of hacking you don't prepare by planning to shutdown the internet - you prepare by making sure it can work when unplugged them from insecure networks. Because if loss of said connectivity would cause problems shutting it down is no help and if it doesn't there is no need to boost collateral damage - unleas that is the /real/ goal.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
If there's technical capability, there's no doubt they will do it, with or without an "attack" (a fake orchestrated attack can always be used as pretext). It's obvious to everyone this will be another Great Firewall.
Yeah any talk of a "drawbridge" or "emergency shutdown button" has always been either sheer ignorance or a pretext for censorship. Since if you want security you don't shut it down for everyone but either disconnect everything of infastructural importance. If your power plants are at risk of hacking you don't prepare by planning to shutdown the internet - you prepare by making sure it can work when unplugged them fro…
Its much easier to disconnect the international connections than to simultaneously disconnect every piece of critical infrastructure at once during an attack. While I believe this is probably a pretext for further censorship, the underlying rationale does have merit.
International disconnects also have the benefit of your internal communications mostly keep working.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah any talk of a "drawbridge" or "emergency shutdown button" has always been either sheer ignorance or a pretext for censorship. Since if you want security you don't shut it down for everyone but either disconnect everything of infastructural importance. If your power plants are at risk of hacking you don't prepare by planning to shutdown the internet - you prepare by making sure it can work when unplugged them fro…
Be charitable here, Its much easier to disconnect the international connections than to simultaneously disconnect every piece of critical infrastructure at once during an attack. While I believe this is probably a pretext for further censorship, the underlying rationale does have merit. International disconnects also have the benefit of your internal communications mostly keep working.
Re: Russia's parliament votes to unplug internet from world
#20I wonder if this will be the future of the internet. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the EU tried doing the same.