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Assange tried to use embassy as 'centre for spying', says Ecuador's Moreno

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Re: Assange tried to use embassy as 'centre for spying', says Ecuador's Moreno

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Isolation is a very bad thing. Seven years is too much. Feeling wronged, with the USA after you, confined to a building for someone used to travelling the world... I can understand a behaviour that I strongly dislike, including all kind of shit suggested by the only people that supported him. So I'm sorry for him and Snowden, but I wouldn't trust either of them in their current circumstances.

odd to add Snowden to that

Assange was in a building, Snowden is in the largest country on the planet

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post #3

> He accused Assange of repeatedly interfering in the internal affairs of other states, referencing WikiLeaks’ publication of Vatican documents in January 2019 as a recent example. “It is unfortunate that there are individuals dedicated to violating the privacy of people,” Moreno said. Why even offer asylum then? This is literally what WikiLeaks does .

When you lose your freedom and become a political pawn, you should act the part. You don't see Snowden shitting on Russia do you?

Depending on your values. He clearly valued other things above personal safety.

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post #11
post #6

Isolation is a very bad thing. Seven years is too much. Feeling wronged, with the USA after you, confined to a building for someone used to travelling the world... I can understand a behaviour that I strongly dislike, including all kind of shit suggested by the only people that supported him. So I'm sorry for him and Snowden, but I wouldn't trust either of them in their current circumstances.

odd to add Snowden to that Assange was in a building, Snowden is in the largest country on the planet

I get a sense that some think Snowden is hiding somewhere in Russia, under some form of house arrest.

My understanding is that he's pretty much free to move about the country.

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So the big winner here really is the US.

They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison.

What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginning). The one (?) remaining charge in Sweden will quickly fall apart no doubt.

Arguments that Assange deserve protection as a journalist are (IMHO) a stretch at best. Getting a hold of classified information is one thing. Aiding in defeating security measures to obtain it is quite another story.

But to me at least, the big problem is that Assange lost all credibility as a journalist over the Wikileaks handling of the 2016 election and related hackings (eg the DCC emails). You'll have a hard time arguing that Assange (and Wikileaks by extension) wasn't picking a side here and doing what they can to influence the outcome of the election.

A traditional media outlet with an op-ed section is one thing. Playing an active part in illegally obtaining emails and other materials as well as arguably passing on that information to a presidential campaign is quite something else.

Even Snowden filtered his classified material through reputable media outlets.

So now we have embassy (~7 years), fighting extradition to either the US or Sweden (2+ years probably), whatever prison time he has to serve in the UK (which will run concurrently to fighting extradition no doubt as it's typical to serve that time first) and then years, perhaps many years, in US prisons. He may not see the light of day until 2030, maybe 2040.

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do. [1][2] But you have a point more generally. [1] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/19/edward-snow... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/29/edward-snowd...

Yeah this was what after 5 years and not saying much other than Russia is corrupt. And if he keeps it up then he may be sent to the US at any point.

He has been critical of them the entire time[1], knowing the risks it entails. It's just not his focus as he has no influence in Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/18/vladim...

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post #14

So the big winner here really is the US. They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison. What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginnin…

> But to me at least, the big problem is that Assange lost all credibility as a journalist over the Wikileaks handling of the 2016 election and related hackings (eg the DCC emails). You'll have a hard time arguing that Assange (and Wikileaks by extension) wasn't picking a side here and doing what they can to influence the outcome of the election.

How is this any different than most mainstream journalists?

Re: Assange tried to use embassy as 'centre for spying', says Ecuador's Moreno

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post #14

So the big winner here really is the US. They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison. What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginnin…

Did wikileaks filter the manning video through very reputable media partners?

The case is difficult to prove. But facts won't stand in the way here either. The charge isn't defeating a security measures either.

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post #14

So the big winner here really is the US. They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison. What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginnin…

> Aiding in defeating security measures to obtain it is quite another story.

It is, especially if that actually happened. Fortunately, that will be tested beyond reasonable doubt sometime soon in an open and transparent court.

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post #14

So the big winner here really is the US. They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison. What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginnin…

Did Assange fabricate anything that was released?

Or are you just mad that he told the truth about your preferred candidate, which as it turns out, was kryptonite to her campaign?

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post #14

So the big winner here really is the US. They got Assange in a virtual prison for ~7 years at no cost to them (that cost was borne by the UK and the Metropolitan Police). You can't argue that being holed up in an embassy is that much better than prison. What's more none of that ~7 years counts towards actual jail time he'll like serve in the UK (for absconding) and the US (the publicized charges are only the beginnin…

> But to me at least, the big problem is that Assange lost all credibility as a journalist over the Wikileaks handling of the 2016 election and related hackings (eg the DCC emails). You'll have a hard time arguing that Assange (and Wikileaks by extension) wasn't picking a side here and doing what they can to influence the outcome of the election. How is this any different than most mainstream journalists?

No. Mainstream journalists never pick a side or intend to influence the outcome of the election. At least not pick the wrong side.
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