FF was also behind in using auto update the software without user interaction. That was a big change from user’s perspective (who didn’t much care that a certain service was also always running behind the scenes).
It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
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Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#12Is there any reason why you should use Firefox over Safari in this case then? How are we defining the "moral superiority" of web browsers here because it all seems to bit iffy to me. Why not use NetSurf if we're really talking, something that's actually open source and not only in name like Mozilla does with Firefox.
Arguably that Firefox is open source, and Safari is not.
I really think the whole open source designation Mozilla tries to play off of is sort of slimy. Hundreds of millions of dollars regularly funnel through it. I understand the legality of it all and the technical truth to it, but it seems like the spirit of open source really isn't being portrayed that well as compared to a browser like say NetSurf, which I look at and can actually see a group of likeminded hobbyists supporting something they enjoy without money clouding everything over.
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#13If it’s a moral obligation, can I mention a problem on a forum without being asked for my bug report or my patch?
Or am I both morally obligated to use the software and either open tickets for any issue I mention or fix those problems myself?
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#14Is there any reason why you should use Firefox over Safari in this case then? How are we defining the "moral superiority" of web browsers here because it all seems to bit iffy to me. Why not use NetSurf if we're really talking, something that's actually open source and not only in name like Mozilla does with Firefox.
Safari doesn't support disabling click tracking anymore: https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/Safari-link-tracking.htm... Firefox does this (as well TOR and brave)
But Safari ITP is wrecking havoc on the ad-tech industry right now.
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Arguably that Firefox is open source, and Safari is not.
I really think the whole open source designation Mozilla tries to play off of is sort of slimy. Hundreds of millions of dollars regularly funnel through it. I understand the legality of it all and the technical truth to it, but it seems like the spirit of open source really isn't being portrayed that well as compared to a browser like say NetSurf, which I look at and can actually see a group of likeminded hobbyists s…
That's completely orthogonal to "open source".
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#16lol at firefox in 2019. It's a joke of a browser. Gimped to the biggest extreme. It's basically a chrome clone. edit: I mean I use it (not the latest version anyway) but with distaste.
Care to elaborate why you believe it is a chrome clone?
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#17Is there any reason why you should use Firefox over Safari in this case then? How are we defining the "moral superiority" of web browsers here because it all seems to bit iffy to me. Why not use NetSurf if we're really talking, something that's actually open source and not only in name like Mozilla does with Firefox.
What's open source "only in name" about Firefox? I like NetSurf and hope it grows, but the MPL seems pretty open source to me. I build the Firefox I use from source on every release on my Talos II.
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#18Is there any reason why you should use Firefox over Safari in this case then? How are we defining the "moral superiority" of web browsers here because it all seems to bit iffy to me. Why not use NetSurf if we're really talking, something that's actually open source and not only in name like Mozilla does with Firefox.
What's open source "only in name" about Firefox? I like NetSurf and hope it grows, but the MPL seems pretty open source to me. I build the Firefox I use from source on every release on my Talos II.
I agree with your position, especially when you compare it with Safari, which is not open source in any sense. However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source, even 2+ years after Mozilla spent $29m acquiring them. So the person you're responding to does have some hint of a good point.
Remember:
- Mozilla Corporation is _not_ your friend.
- WebKit is still a viable third-party alternative to both Blink and Gecko.
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's open source "only in name" about Firefox? I like NetSurf and hope it grows, but the MPL seems pretty open source to me. I build the Firefox I use from source on every release on my Talos II.
I agree with your position, especially when you compare it with Safari, which is not open source in any sense. However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source, even 2+ years after Mozilla spent $29m acquiring them. So the person you're responding to does have some hint of a good point. Remember: - Mozilla Corporation is _not_ your friend. - WebKit is still a viable third-party…
> However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source
All the integration code is open source. Pocket is a web service that is currently not open source. This is like saying that because Firefox uses Google Safe Browsing, that it is open source in name only because the Google Safe Browsing code isn't open source.
Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox
#20lol firefox. i wouldnt hate the guys if they had stuck to their guns on DRM and didnt kick the guy because he made a religious donation.