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Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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The main problem with the humanities is that they have been consumed by the political far left.

That's sad, because English, history, and philosphy could be great programs.

I remember I was struggling to get decent grades on my history papers. I was running out of patience and decided I just wanted to pass. So I just wrote what I thought the professor wanted to hear (far left BS) and started getting B's and even an A-, with little effort.

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#12
I have a philosophy degree, and I believe it’s a big part of why I’ve been successful in technology. It taught me to think in patterns and layers upon layers of abstraction; while giving me general-purpose tools that can be applied to problem solving in complex, interrelated systems.

I thought I was making a mistake choosing that degree path over CS; but CS was making me miserable with the crazy workload — which ended up being a bunch of busy work that got abstracted away by new languages / frameworks by the time we all graduated (we started in a world of esoteric mainframe architectures, C++ and perl and ended in a world of java, php and python so to be fair a LOT changed). But I don’t regret the philosophy degree at all.

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I have friends from university with degrees in history, classics, theology, that make 3x what I do as a software engineer with a PhD. They work in things like corporate intelligence, risk analysis, planning and operations. Really high-powered serious stuff that makes what I do look rather trivial. They get hired as their companies want diversity of thought and the main job requirement is just being smart, switched-on…

I’m guessing they went to top schools. That’s the issue. Humanity degrees at lower tier schools don’t open doors, and a lot of people are borrowing a lot of money to get degrees with a poor ROI.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

#14
In my experience the liberal arts classes I was required to take were all big 100+ person lecture -> memorize -> test classes. I tend to think a lot of the praise heaped on liberal arts is the fallacy that since these skills are not learned in STEM classes, they must be learned in liberal arts classes. It also seems like those classes are taught at a much lower level. Plenty of people fail out of STEM and go on to be liberal arts majors but not the reverse. I think that bumping up the difficulty to the point that people are actually failing out would go a long way to these majors regaining credibility, and I hope they do because I am not anti-liberal arts in principle, only in practice.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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post #12

I have a philosophy degree, and I believe it’s a big part of why I’ve been successful in technology. It taught me to think in patterns and layers upon layers of abstraction; while giving me general-purpose tools that can be applied to problem solving in complex, interrelated systems. I thought I was making a mistake choosing that degree path over CS; but CS was making me miserable with the crazy workload — which ende…

> but CS was making me miserable with the crazy workload

Didn't you have to do a load of reading/essays in the philosophy course?

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

#16
It kind of “smells” like when you see articles saying that there aren’t enough people for the “x” job, even when they are paid 2x the average salary. Most of the time I realised that in those cases it was just a semi-covert advertisement for the industry in question, and digging in the real numbers you can see huge differences with the numbers reported in the article. I’m not saying that this is absolutely the case, but certainly the narrative seems quite similar to what I experienced in the past...

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

#17

I have History and CS degrees. The CS experience (at a top engineering school) felt fairly vocational. But being rigorously taught how to research, construct arguments, and communicate ideas in my Liberal Arts degree has been what made me successful past my first hire. I definitely recommend double majoring in a Liberal Arts degree. Also perhaps there’s a lesson here about the CS curriculum being too vocational at mo…

> Or not needing a 4 year college if it aims to be vocational?

US colleges could absolutely drop the fourth year tomorrow if they wanted to. Many excellent European universities get it done in three and get results just as good.

The real waste of time is the US PhD - doing in seven years what could be done in two or three.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

#18

The main problem with the humanities is that they have been consumed by the political far left. That's sad, because English, history, and philosphy could be great programs. I remember I was struggling to get decent grades on my history papers. I was running out of patience and decided I just wanted to pass. So I just wrote what I thought the professor wanted to hear (far left BS) and started getting B's and even an A…

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Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

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I have friends from university with degrees in history, classics, theology, that make 3x what I do as a software engineer with a PhD. They work in things like corporate intelligence, risk analysis, planning and operations. Really high-powered serious stuff that makes what I do look rather trivial. They get hired as their companies want diversity of thought and the main job requirement is just being smart, switched-on…

I have a hard time believing this would be the norm at a sufficient number of companies that it would justify picking up one of these degrees. Knowing technical skills when applying to technical companies seems like a safer bet.

Re: Why 'worthless' humanities degrees may set you up for life

#20
With soft degrees, where you go to school matters a lot. At the large state school I went to, many of my friends had soft liberal arts undergrads. The only successful ones wound up as faculty members in mid-tier schools. The liberal arts classes I took were among the worst, with the most closed minded professors.

When people quote Silicon Valley stars like Reid Hoffman (philosophy, Stanford and Oxford) and Benedict Evans (history, Cambridge) look at the school too.

Communicating clearly, and thinking systemically are very important. I’m just not convinced that most colleges and universities teach those anymore. The people who have it get it elsewhere.

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