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Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Wonder what this decision is baserad on, its non-ionized radiation and may confuse bees etc but humans ....?

Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.

> Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged.

What is this supposed to do?

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

5g would make it cheaper eventually.

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I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

Its a good point plus upgrading to 5g will require purchasing new smartphones so it can be quite a costly affair for the consumer.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

4G, just like 3G before it will get slower over time. The spectrum is still shared, and the more devices are connected on the 4G bands, the less bandwith there is for each device.

IMHO, 5G is not so much about speed as it is about latency and better handling of devices in high density areas. Regarding the speed aspect, keep in mind that most smartphones (which are the primary 4G connected devices) are not equipped with modems that can reach the speed limits of 4G. They certainly could, but that would kill battery life. I expect something similar with 5G (although one the promises of 5G is lower power consumption). VoIP over 3G is often terrible. It's better on 4G, but, in my experience, it's often hit and miss. Having improved latency and speed means VoIP (and video calls) are, theoretically, less of a gamble.

(My experience with 3G/4G is a single datapoint and should not be taken too seriously, evidently)

However, cheap 4G is a good option for areas that have decent cell coverage but poor broadband (I refer to the usual copper lines for DSL). 5G can make the situation better, if only by making 4G cheaper. Deploying 5G means that an operator may have to upgrade their backbone ... which is good for 4G users too.

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I live in Brussels, internet over 4G works great and nobody complains about it being slow. I am willing to change my mind if somebody proves why we need to upgrade but (and as much as I love new tech) "if ain't broken dont touch it", if anything just make it cheaper.

Once 8k streaming becomes popular 5G will be a must.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.

>As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it. Was this documented during a test or just anecdata?

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revela...

This sort of thing happens quite a bit actually. In this case, a huge number of residents complained ofvarious illnesses that were supposed to have been caused by a new tower being built in their vicinity. That the symptoms were presented when the tower was not operational is fairly telling that nocebo effect dominates here over any rational or explainable occurrence.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.

>As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it. Was this documented during a test or just anecdata?

>noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions.

implies that it was documented during a test

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Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.

What you're saying has quite literally no basis in fact. Counter to it significantly, there's a heap more powerful non-ionizing transmission than things you have locally in very similar bands, like hundreds of kilowatt TV and FM radio transmitters. Any "effect" you would be seeing is placebo or nocebo depending on the state of your "airplane mode" switch.

don't forget the lights in your room, much higher output and much higher frequencies than your phone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.

> Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. What is this supposed to do?

Presumably, offer a sense of relaxation and peace - mostly through a combination of the placebo effect and not spending so much time looking at the internet, I guess!

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Wonder what this decision is baserad on, its non-ionized radiation and may confuse bees etc but humans ....?

Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.

[citation needed]
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