As an anecdotal example, Im an engine mechanic who routinely sees older trucks from the 80s and 90s. mostly idler/pitman arm replacements, tires, diff fluid, etc... on these which is expected as many are pushing a million miles or more. I had a 1981 International S1700 limp into my garage one day with a misfire problem due to long, long overdue oil pressure problems. I fixed the oil pump and was getting ready to hook up the diagnostic computer when my boss stopped me and said "if you plug that thing in its going to light up like a christmas tree. You aint telling the driver anything they care about anyway."
Why Some Doctors Hesitate to Screen Smokers for Lung Cancer (2015)
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#13This sounds familiar. I have watched now quite a few people go through serious diseases. One pattern I saw was tests, tests and more tests. A lot of them very expensive, time consuming and painful. But when you ask what they will do with the test results there often is silence. To me it looks like they are doing something because “we need to do something”. Reminds me a little of data collection practices at companies…
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#14> "but [can also] find cancers that were never going to matter." I'm not sure, but isn't better to know that you have it and then investigate further, do more tests, perhaps do some period follow-up with a shorter interval? Otherwise it's just betting: I bet that I don't have a lung cancer that will be agressive....
A little bit of information can be a dangerous thing.
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#15I wonder if this is a "dont waste your time" issue coming from management? As an anecdotal example, Im an engine mechanic who routinely sees older trucks from the 80s and 90s. mostly idler/pitman arm replacements, tires, diff fluid, etc... on these which is expected as many are pushing a million miles or more. I had a 1981 International S1700 limp into my garage one day with a misfire problem due to long, long overdu…
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#16I wonder if this is a "dont waste your time" issue coming from management? As an anecdotal example, Im an engine mechanic who routinely sees older trucks from the 80s and 90s. mostly idler/pitman arm replacements, tires, diff fluid, etc... on these which is expected as many are pushing a million miles or more. I had a 1981 International S1700 limp into my garage one day with a misfire problem due to long, long overdu…
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#18>"Other people," he says, "will see [the same diagram] and will say, 'Are you kidding me? I'm not going for that; that's not worth it.'"
>But in either scenario, Lazris says, he has done his job — he has helped his patients understand the odds and then let them make the choice.
This is wonderful!! Good on him!!
This is how medicine should always be practiced. Much too often a doctor/PA just orders a bunch of tests with ZERO discussion (other than maybe "we'll screen you for XYZ"). No discussion of risks. No discussion of the upsides of testing. No discussion of individual risk factors. No discussion about how the results will be actionable.
Sometimes they order tests before even meeting a patient for the first time or even telling you what they are testing you for. My last primary care doctor did just that, I made an initial appointment with him for a routine physical (I need referrals for my health insurance) and someone from his office calls before the appointment and says "Dr So and So has ordered some blood tests for you, please go to the lab and get then done before the appointment." Didn't think telling me any other information was important, like, uh, what I'm being tested for and why.
Of course, at least some of the tests he ordered were not evidence based.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638475/
On top of that, I have untreatable anemia due to a genetic condition. His first tests found the anemia and he ordered follow up tests. Mind you, this is before I ever met him or even spoke to him. If he had a conversation with me, the followup tests would have been completely and totally unnecessary.
A different doctor did that to my husband recently as well ("we've ordered some tests for you" before even meeting him nor telling him which tests were ordered.) I looked at the lab work afterwards and turns out PSA was one of the tests they ordered, which has shown to cause more harm than good. ZERO discussion about risks vs benefits. No discussion of benefits of testing at your age vs an advanced age. No theater diagrams.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/260087.php
https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/Page/Document/...
I read a story about an elderly woman in good health with no symptoms who went to the doctor for a routine physical. The doctor ordered a bunch of blood tests and a urine test, turns out she had an asymptomatic urinary track infection. She was given ciprofloxacin and had a bad reaction to it.
Turns out:
A quarter of elderly women have asymptomatic urinary track infections. Detecting and treating them have not shown to have any benefit.
Ciprofloxacin is an inappropriate treatment for uncomplicated urinary track infections in the elderly due to the high risks of serious side effects.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/health/antibiotics-elderl...
The story doesn't say if the doctor discussed benefits and risks of doing those blood and urine tests, but I'm doubting they did (considering both the testing and the treatment was against recommendations).
I'm not, as a rule, against screening tests. I'm against doctors not explaining the risks vs benefits of screening tests. I'm also against doctors ordering screening tests that have shown to have no benefit.
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#19Both my mother and her father were still smoking frequently when they were on oxygen. In other words: When they should have known better. Her mother was looking really bad at 50 and when the Dr told her "it's killing you, and not in some abstract way", she cut it out cold turkey and pretty much instantly looked 10 years younger.
Grandfather was struggling in general, but it was twisted up intestines that did him in. My mom, one nurse told me, her lungs were "just shot". COPD. Funny thing was that she was getting enough oxygen (with O2), she just couldn't get rid of CO2. Basically took her outta the game 20 years early.
Hopefully, my kids who watched this, can use the experience to steer clear of some things. If you can't set a good example, show what a bad example leads to. :-)
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#20What does a false positive look like to a doctor, and how will it not harm the organism? I can't imagine a cancer that can be ignored safely, nor an early stage treatment that is counterproductive.
Every treatment has risks.
That's the cruddy math.