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Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment,

Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them.

Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them.

I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

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There's one very popular emoji I particularly hate: https://emojipedia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy/ . Why? Because a) it looks bad (one of the worst made emojis out there), and b) when someone sends it to me, I have no clue what they mean. While it's technically "crying with joy", it also resembles crying with despair - and with regular people, who don't even know what "emoji" is or that they have names, I can't be 10…

It has a big smile. How would you interpret this as despair?

Cultural or psychological differences in interpreting facial expressions. It's clearly not despair to me. The mouth is upturned, which indicates smiling.

But to someone who can't easily differentiate upturned from downturned, it might be despair.

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment, Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

> I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

People are mixing the personal domain and business all the time. For example: in business meetings, people smile and they tell jokes; also, business people often go out for dinner together.

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment, Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

Aren't you being a bit negative here?

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Emoji have really filled a gap, where words typed on the internet were missing some context of how they are supposed to be read. And nowadays, whether or not I add the eggplant emoji to the end of a whatsapp message can really change how it's interpreted, and gives me less to excuse myself should it come up in court.

But really, anything that removes doubt and clarity from a conversation has got to be a good thing. How many internet arguments have been spared because someone could attach a winky face to show that they were being impish and not to take offence? Obviously, old people hate them, but I can see emoji melding into all forms of language in the future. Or even the global language :thinking-face:

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment, Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

> Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them.

That's going against progress, just like some people were against electronic communication for business transactions when they were first introduced.

I understand where you are coming from, texts are familiar, but more and more business run solely on messaging platforms and rely on texts to conduct business.

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Emoji have really filled a gap, where words typed on the internet were missing some context of how they are supposed to be read. And nowadays, whether or not I add the eggplant emoji to the end of a whatsapp message can really change how it's interpreted, and gives me less to excuse myself should it come up in court. But really, anything that removes doubt and clarity from a conversation has got to be a good thing. H…

People will argue that you should be able to convey your message clearly in plain English but those people don't realise that: - Not everyone masters English (even when it's your mother tongue, not everyone has access to the same education to be able to use it perfectly) - Languages are complex, we don't talk with words only, we use facial expressions and gestures, emojis help mimic those when only words are available.

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment, Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

> I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal. People are mixing the personal domain and business all the time. For example: in business meetings, people smile and they tell jokes; also, business people often go out for dinner together.

Yes, but we have 50,000 years of evolutionary practice understand what a smile means in real life.

And we recognize that we still don't all interpret those smiles the same way, as is evident in many legal codes not enforcing "handshake" deals, and written agreements almost always supercede oral ones.

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It has a big smile. How would you interpret this as despair?

Cultural or psychological differences in interpreting facial expressions. It's clearly not despair to me. The mouth is upturned, which indicates smiling. But to someone who can't easily differentiate upturned from downturned, it might be despair.

In blown-up version like this it's easier to see the upturn. In smaller renderings, like in Facebook & Google products on my desktop and on the phone (or pixelated copy-pastes of it on top of Facebook videos), the rendering sits squarely in the uncanny valley for me. It looks like smiling, but then it looks also like the face is in great pain, with all the muscles contracted, squeezing tears out of its tear ducts.

Re: Emoji are showing up as evidence in court more frequently

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> After sending an enthusiastic text confirming that they wanted the apartment, Anyone who sends little yellow men as part of a business conversation deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. I know this is old-fashioned, but business is business, personal is personal.

> Anyone who conducts a business conversation over any medium but snail mail, fax, email or the phone deserves whatever misfortune befalls them. That's going against progress, just like some people were against electronic communication for business transactions when they were first introduced. I understand where you are coming from, texts are familiar, but more and more business run solely on messaging platforms and…

And progress for the sake of progress isn't necessarily a good thing.

I've seen people fire off the first thing that comes to mind in a text message in a business setting and almost always realize they weren't as precise as they wanted to be and have to attempt to correct themselves with follow on messages. This mistake and ensuing retraction almost always sours the deal.

Edit: addendum (I'm aware I'm doing exactly what I just made a case against)

Mine, and the Court's right now, expectation is that written communication does not need to be immediate. And since you have a chance to think through what you'd like to write, your first message has no reason not to be precise and correct to your intentions.

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