Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
> WTF do you think they do all day? Look for WMD's in middle eastern countries to justify policy?
The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
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Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#12Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
> WTF do you think they do all day? One would hope that they were trying to gain access to someone else's devices, as opposed to turning the guns towards their own citizens and economy. If a soldier showed up at my door and pointed their gun at me, my reaction wouldn't be "of course you're doing that, your job is to point guns."
Apple devices are sold all over the world, so there's no way of gaining access to the enemy's devices without that method also being applicable to everyone else. Actually using them on everyone else is a different matter.
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#13Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
The CIA is spying on your phone so that the Russians and Chinese don't have to?? Really, you think CIA OpSec is that good... as in so hard to crack that it's worth spending $100 billions (in Rubles and Yuan) to do it some other way? Maybe some political doofus thinks that, but technically savvy folks should know better. Nope, if you create a weapon you better be prepared for your enemy to use it against you.
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#14I'll grant you that if the CIA broke into Apple and stole keys, that would stealing along with breaking and entering or the cybercrime equivalent. But that's not what the article says.
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#15Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
> WTF do you think they do all day? Look for WMD's in middle eastern countries to justify policy?
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#16> The modified version of Xcode, the researchers claimed, could enable spies to steal passwords and grab messages on infected devices. Researchers also claimed the modified Xcode could “force all iOS applications to send embedded data to a listening post.” It remains unclear how intelligence agencies would get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode.
Sounds suspiciously like XCodeGhost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XcodeGhost.
This is probably worth a reference to Ken Thompson's "Reflections on Trusting Trust".
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#17Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
The CIA is spying on your phone so that the Russians and Chinese don't have to?? Really, you think CIA OpSec is that good... as in so hard to crack that it's worth spending $100 billions (in Rubles and Yuan) to do it some other way? Maybe some political doofus thinks that, but technically savvy folks should know better. Nope, if you create a weapon you better be prepared for your enemy to use it against you.
In an ideal world, no one can hack my phone. This is why I support Apple and Google and Microsoft and all the others doing their very best to keep my devices as secure as possible.
In the worst-possible world, enemy nations have hacked my phone. Because if they've hacked my phone, they've also hacked those of my politicians and military.
In the real world, the only way for my country to be able to defend against enemies is to be as-good-as or better than those enemies at hacking my phone.
That's why I support it. Because I have a sneaking suspicion that truly awful people are working hard to hack every device out there, and the best infosec defense is a good infosec offense.
I don't disagree with you that "if you create a weapon you better be prepared for your enemy to use it against you". But a worse scenario than that is for my enemy to beat me to the punch and I'm standing here with sticks and stones.
The thing about an arms race is that once it starts, it's pretty much impossible to get out of. I didn't start the infosec arms race. It would be nice if the race didn't exist at all. But it does.
Only a "political doofus" would prefer to pretend otherwise.
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#18Nothing in this article is surprising. I mean, honestly, if you don't think the CIA is actively trying to gain access to your devices, WTF do you think they do all day? I'd be more concerned if the intelligence agencies of the world WEREN'T doing this. It's their purpose. It's what we pay them for with our taxes. Of course we should also always root for tech companies to stay one step ahead. But infosec is an arms ra…
> WTF do you think they do all day? One would hope that they were trying to gain access to someone else's devices, as opposed to turning the guns towards their own citizens and economy. If a soldier showed up at my door and pointed their gun at me, my reaction wouldn't be "of course you're doing that, your job is to point guns."
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> WTF do you think they do all day? Look for WMD's in middle eastern countries to justify policy?
Well, all middle eastern countries bar one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#US_...
Re: The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015)
#20Sounds like domestic terrorism.. is it not?