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China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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China's gleaming hypocrisy:

On one side they continue to shield Masood Azhar, a person classified as terrorist by all major powers in the UNSC, to appease their all weather friends Pakistan.

On the other side they run "re-education" camps for Muslims on their soil.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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A painful but important reminder about Lu Guang, a photojournalist captured by the goverment for taking photos of the damage suffered by countryman (and nature) due pollution from chinese factories: https://imgur.com/gallery/XwzByK7 Something needs to be done, I'm not sure what but inaction will only aggravate the situation.

I really do appreciate the sentiment, but with an authoritarian regime like this there's isn't an awful lot other nations can practically do that would actually make a difference. Just look at North Korea, it's under total economic lock-down but still continues along on it's brutally oppressive way. It's not that I'm happy about it, any suggestions welcome.

We can't possibly know. Different countries have different cultures and histories. It might also be that resulting slump in economic output would incite revolts.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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post #8

A painful but important reminder about Lu Guang, a photojournalist captured by the goverment for taking photos of the damage suffered by countryman (and nature) due pollution from chinese factories: https://imgur.com/gallery/XwzByK7 Something needs to be done, I'm not sure what but inaction will only aggravate the situation.

I really do appreciate the sentiment, but with an authoritarian regime like this there's isn't an awful lot other nations can practically do that would actually make a difference. Just look at North Korea, it's under total economic lock-down but still continues along on it's brutally oppressive way. It's not that I'm happy about it, any suggestions welcome.

At this point I'd say the goal should be to isolate China and make them suffer economically.. We can see what they've done to the people of Tibet, Hong Kong, Xijiang, those practicing Falun Gong and so many more. They're also stepping up their efforts of conquering Taiwan and the South China Sea.. the world can't keep turning a blind eye as their influence continue to grow.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

The point here is to evoke comparison with 1930s Germany, which expanded into neighboring territory and systematically imprisioned minorities. Hopefully China changes direction before it becomes 1940s Germany

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You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

Not sure what's trivial about China putting millions of Muslims into "re-education" camps. Should we wait until they start killing them en masse to say something?

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do appreciate the sentiment, but with an authoritarian regime like this there's isn't an awful lot other nations can practically do that would actually make a difference. Just look at North Korea, it's under total economic lock-down but still continues along on it's brutally oppressive way. It's not that I'm happy about it, any suggestions welcome.

At this point I'd say the goal should be to isolate China and make them suffer economically.. We can see what they've done to the people of Tibet, Hong Kong, Xijiang, those practicing Falun Gong and so many more. They're also stepping up their efforts of conquering Taiwan and the South China Sea.. the world can't keep turning a blind eye as their influence continue to grow.

Suffering economically will likely lead to far more suffering for various Chinese people, and the end result has a good chance of being a civil war. Is this worth preventing their influence from growing? Who benefits from it?

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You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

I'm very unconvinced the term is inappropriate here. China appears to be engaged in multiple "ethnic cleansings" and has been for a while.

I think a part of the reason why this may be making a bit more news lately is that while, broadly speaking, nobody really cares what happens to the people "over there" (for any value of "over there"), as China is becoming more powerful, the concern that "maybe we'll be next" is becoming a bit more pressing for more people. Allowing these actions to go unopposed is becoming more dangerous for people around China.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

The point here is to evoke comparison with 1930s Germany, which expanded into neighboring territory and systematically imprisioned minorities. Hopefully China changes direction before it becomes 1940s Germany

This is a ridiculous comparison. China is not expanding and does not systematically imprison minorities (and as you know the holocaust is in another league altogether).

The point of my previous comment is also to avoid such comparisons that are unhelpful, to say the least. Don't overuse those terms (holocaust, nazi, etc)

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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I'm wondering if people in China can see this website in Google. Edit: to people who are downvoting this... check this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19540562

People aren't downvoting this within 7 minutes of you posting.

>People aren't downvoting this within 7 minutes of you posting.

Obviously they are, or OP wouldn't have added that edit. You can see your comment scores (as you know.)

Interestingly, I just read that China employs people to influence social media. (Which Hacker News would fall under, I guess.) What I read was this, I'll quote it in full:

   >China does this with its 50
   >Cent Party: people hired by the government to
   >post comments on social networking sites
   >supporting, and to challenge comments
   >opposing, party positions. 
This is from a book on privacy by a famous author. It would be interesting to know if the people mentioned post to HN.
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