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Re: Unions

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Maybe instead of comparing military and education in terms of why unions are allowed in one and not in the other, he should just make a comparison between education and any private sector with functioning competition. I'd say the benchmark for education should not be the military but rather retail. Imagine schools as efficient as Walmart or Starbucks.

if school was a Walmart, would teachers be shipped from China in Panamax container ships?

If they did a better job, they would.

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While unions make it easier for workers to defend their rights, they make it _much harder_ to create a meritocracy in the organization, and so much harder to reward people based on their performance - just ask anybody who have ever tried to transform an organization with a strong union. (Notoriously ineffective PG&E comes to mind first).

Here is an example of how "easy" it is to fire a low-performing teacher: http://www.laweekly.com/2010-02-11/news/lausd-s-dance-of-the...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since goals change every 4 years and that is a major problem, let's just privatize the whole thing.

Because the chief goal of educating children should be profit.

Because the profit component makes any system more efficient.

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While unions make it easier for workers to defend their rights, they make it _much harder_ to create a meritocracy in the organization, and so much harder to reward people based on their performance - just ask anybody who have ever tried to transform an organization with a strong union. (Notoriously ineffective PG&E comes to mind first). Here is an example of how "easy" it is to fire a low-performing teacher: http://…

Here is a though experiment. How fast do you think Salman Khan, of khanacademy.org fame, would advance in a US public school system?

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I've heard an interesting argument that states education has become the number one reason for one's under-achievements in today's society (like sinning in the middle ages). The point is that education will always be bad and a LOT of people have and idea (usually wrong) about how to improve it.

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Blaming America's dismal education system on teachers unions is a tired and hollow argument. Mr. Adams would do well to consider the chronic underfunding, push toward standardization at all costs, and political interference that directly challenges science education. Are unions good for a small, agile company? No. Are they necessary for monolithic employers? Probably. The U.S. government employs 2 million civilians.…

Instead of calling an argument tired and hollow, why don't you explain why the argument is tired and hollow?

I'm not trying to score some cheap political points off you - I'd love a response that makes me think a bit, because when I hear someone say 'teachers unions are bad for education', my gut reaction is 'well, that's obvious', since any system where pay is based on seniority and poor-performers are difficult to fire has got to create perverse incentives. What am I missing?

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Blaming America's dismal education system on teachers unions is a tired and hollow argument. Mr. Adams would do well to consider the chronic underfunding, push toward standardization at all costs, and political interference that directly challenges science education. Are unions good for a small, agile company? No. Are they necessary for monolithic employers? Probably. The U.S. government employs 2 million civilians.…

If you have seen the movie "Waiting for Superman" you'll understand why the union is taking some of the blame. They certainly make a case for it being part of the problem.

Also, would it be possible to provide some evidence for your claims about education? It might help us have a better discussion.

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