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How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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This honestly doesn't seem like a problem with organisational silos. The level of efficiency the author is suggesting is completely unnecessary. If the police had done some very basic police work, followed up the unauthorized transactions at each location for CCTV they would have gotten a very clear idea of who this person was. In fact hell, find out which phones pinged the phone tower near each of the locations at e…

>> it's that the UK has decided it would rather have some petty crime than to pay the taxes necessary to catch petty criminals

No such "active" decision has ever been taken by the UK citizens and simply never would be by any democracy I can imagine - and this is probably the next major problem democracy needs to solve.

Did you know the UK is self sufficient in strawberries? Supermarkets saw they had demand, and put strawberries on shelves from global suppliers year round, then started competing amoungst themselves on price which meant air freighted strawberries cost more than locally produced greenhoused food so we expanded our greenhouses - in a good stuff it's likely noone would vote for

I don't know quite how to solve this but I think a "backlog" approach to democracy would work

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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This fellow should follow the police's lead: it's petty crime that is unlikely to get resolved without an uneconomic expenditure of limited time and resources. What is he reasonably hoping to achieve? Understandably he seems to be personally outraged by his experience, but if he put his emotions aside he'd put it down to experience, make an insurance claim, get his documents and cards reissued and move on.

Uneconomic when looking at this one single case perhaps -- probably not when looking at the thief's career though. Also, if there is no effort to stop small crimes, that seems to send a very bad signal...

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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The only thing this thief exploited is the idiocy of the victim, who carried around a backpack full of expensive items, his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel), and his wallet (put it in your pocket), and then left it piled in the corner. Of a bar.

We should all be glad that the police don't waste their time on petty crime like this. This guy didn't deserve this, but the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for his naivety.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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The only thing this thief exploited is the idiocy of the victim, who carried around a backpack full of expensive items, his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel), and his wallet (put it in your pocket), and then left it piled in the corner. Of a bar. We should all be glad that the police don't waste their time on petty crime like this. This guy didn't deserve this, but the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for h…

> his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel)

You may be legally required to carry it with you. In China this is the case. (Or at least, China publishes a lot of documentation for foreigners claiming it is the case. I don't see why they'd be wrong about that.)

I don't carry my passport with me anyway, because that is crazy, but I don't like being placed in the wrong like that either.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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As others have posted, this is not in any way an issue with organisational silos. The Met simply have limited funding and more important matters to investigate. They are essentially attempting to politely explain that to you.

> The Met simply have limited funding [...]

Everyone has limited funding

> and more important matters to investigate

Everyone should prioritise what they work on!

Not to be harsh on the OP, but let's compared the total £value of what was stolen vs the potential [opportunity] cost to the police and other relevant authorities which would be required to catch and convict the thief.

If the laptop had something the authorities valued, they'd work significantly harder.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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The only thing this thief exploited is the idiocy of the victim, who carried around a backpack full of expensive items, his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel), and his wallet (put it in your pocket), and then left it piled in the corner. Of a bar. We should all be glad that the police don't waste their time on petty crime like this. This guy didn't deserve this, but the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for h…

Don't blame the victim. While it's true they could have been smarter with the reality of crime in the modern world, this crime is still 100% the fault of the robber.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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The only thing this thief exploited is the idiocy of the victim, who carried around a backpack full of expensive items, his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel), and his wallet (put it in your pocket), and then left it piled in the corner. Of a bar. We should all be glad that the police don't waste their time on petty crime like this. This guy didn't deserve this, but the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for h…

> his passport (leave it at home or in the hotel) You may be legally required to carry it with you. In China this is the case. (Or at least, China publishes a lot of documentation for foreigners claiming it is the case. I don't see why they'd be wrong about that.) I don't carry my passport with me anyway, because that is crazy, but I don't like being placed in the wrong like that either.

Not in any way victim blaming but there is zero requirement to carry ID in the UK (except if you are young and want to get served for alcohol).

They tried to introduce national ID cards a few times and it got voted down each time.

FWIW I have no issue with a national ID card if it's purely that, Identification but the government couldn't leave it at that and wanted to tie the card to everything.

Turning a reasonable idea into a terrible idea.

Given the way they expand everything to compromise peoples privacy I don't trust them not to do it after the fact either so generally I'm on the no to national ID side.

Because I don't trust my government at all.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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This fellow should follow the police's lead: it's petty crime that is unlikely to get resolved without an uneconomic expenditure of limited time and resources. What is he reasonably hoping to achieve? Understandably he seems to be personally outraged by his experience, but if he put his emotions aside he'd put it down to experience, make an insurance claim, get his documents and cards reissued and move on.

Uneconomic when looking at this one single case perhaps -- probably not when looking at the thief's career though. Also, if there is no effort to stop small crimes, that seems to send a very bad signal...

The government has cut police budgets in real terms massively over the last decade or so.

Even if they wanted to current police forces simply lack the resources, they've (the gov) also juggled the crime stats so it looks like crime has stayed steady or declined (hence they can 'justify' the cuts).

The UK is in a complete shambles at the moment.

Years of unnecessary austerity combined with a government determined to privatise everything no matter what the actual (if any) benefit on ideological grounds has left it that way..but we keep voting for them and so we get the government we deserve* (*which we wouldn't have if we could get rid of our stupid first past the post voting system).

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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This was a smart but unsavvy approach to solving the problem. A better one would have been to appeal to people's better natures.

I think it can generally be said that bureaucracies mostly exist to serve other bureaucracies, mere mortals are illegible drains on their resources, to put it candidly, if they helped every sad sack with a sad story that showed up at their doorstep, pretty soon that's going to be all they're doing.

So instead you have to persuade, cajole people into helping you out. You find the one guy with both the spare time and the wherewithal to work the system. Spin a detective story out of it, make it interesting for them. Never lose sight of the fact that they're doing you a favor and send a nice thank-you card after its sorted.

Sure, political forces have driven wedges between institutions that should be public-facing and the public they should be serving. But that doesn't mean that good people don't still work there. You just have to get them interested. Anyone you speak to can be cajoled into doing the right thing. But they won't unless you help them see the light.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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Nicely written article and I am sorry for what happened. Similar thing happened to a friend of mine some years ago and since then I don’t dare take my bag out during evenings.

Re The Met - it’s a sad state of affairs with policing in the UK. It comes down to the following: police only ‘care’ to investigate or deal with 3 types of criminals: 1. Terrorists 2. Paedophiles 3. Speeding motorists

If you wish to do any other criminality in the UK then you have pretty much free reign to carry out things with impunity. Government are even talking about abolishing jail sentences for ‘minor’ crimes (not to improve rehabilitation but to save money).

I am emigrating. I can see where things are heading and it’s not good for this country.

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