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Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by chanind » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:37 PM UTC

ericb wrote: post #4

Why miss it, come on back, the water's still warm and the dev is still as fast as ever in Rails. Honestly, the JS stacks all seem vastly more annoying on so many levels. It seems like the JS ecosystem changes so fast because it knows better is possible, so it just tries to reinvent itself over and over. The JavaScript world starts with this weird prototype based language with a syntax that looks like it might be some…

Oddly I never considered starting a new project with it, but now I'm questioning why that is. I guess I just don't see many new projects started in Rails, and nowhere I've worked the past few years uses it. I stopped using it after Rails 3, but I'll give it a try again in the next side-project I work on and see how it goes.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by k__ » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:37 PM UTC

AWS Amplify is becoming the "Rails" of serverless.

It already has impressive code generators for GraphQL.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by rch » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:39 PM UTC

president wrote: post #9

There is a universe where there exists only 1 programming language and only a single web framework. That would be cool to experience.

Particularly if it's the universe where literate programming took off.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jph » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:39 PM UTC

Elixir and Phoenix are excellent, and you'll recognize many of the same concepts in these. The communities are excellent as well, and welcoming to newcomers.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jacobsenscott » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:40 PM UTC

inapis wrote: post #7

What’s the harm in using rails purely as an API? You’ll still get a lot of functionality out of the box and maybe have to write just a little bit more glue code for the JS-backed front end than what rails provides out of the box.

Nothing at all. But you lose a lot of the productivity benefits of building the whole stack in rails.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jonahx » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:40 PM UTC

digb wrote: post #8

I’ll say this: I came to Rails from Node (and before that .NET but with a way smaller scope of responsibility), and I am thoroughly convinced the author is correct. I couldn’t estimate for shit in my first few months at this job (once I had ramped) because Rails makes things that would’ve taken at least twice as long easy to do, even without gems. Plus, I have seen not even a third of the compatibility issues between…

Here are two of the most popular books on Rails on Amazon, along with their page counts:

"The Rails 5 Way" (1088 pages)

"Ruby on Rails Tutorial: Learn Web Development with Rail" (816 pages)

Rails is enterprise.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jamestimmins » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:41 PM UTC

verdverm wrote: post #2

Check out https://apollokit.org/ for something similar using full-stack JS Sysgears has some other projects that is moving towards the ability to import functional modules from npm

This is pretty interesting, (not to mention it's a very aesthetically pleasing page). It seems like we're possibly seeing the rise "meta-frameworks", which simply provide a higher level of abstraction by combining multiple disparate tools.

I work primarily on the backend, so this could be incorrect. But I'm curious if anyone else has been aware of this trend, or if I'm identifying something that isn't really there.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by jacobsenscott » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:42 PM UTC

president wrote: post #9

There is a universe where there exists only 1 programming language and only a single web framework. That would be cool to experience.

Rails and Opal (does anybody use opal?) or clojurescript and clojure might be close.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by stonewhite » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:43 PM UTC

This reminds me of the Rich Hickey keynote talk[1] at Rails Con 2012. Which boils down to: just out of sheer convenience you no longer own your code and, don't make the easy choice, take your time and make the simple choice.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8tNMsozo0

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by ericb » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 11:45 PM UTC

jonahx wrote: post #16

digb wrote: post #8

I’ll say this: I came to Rails from Node (and before that .NET but with a way smaller scope of responsibility), and I am thoroughly convinced the author is correct. I couldn’t estimate for shit in my first few months at this job (once I had ramped) because Rails makes things that would’ve taken at least twice as long easy to do, even without gems. Plus, I have seen not even a third of the compatibility issues between…

Here are two of the most popular books on Rails on Amazon, along with their page counts: "The Rails 5 Way" (1088 pages) "Ruby on Rails Tutorial: Learn Web Development with Rail" (816 pages) Rails is enterprise.

What does this enterprise slur even mean? Is it like saying a band sold out when they had a hit record?

Do we only use undiscovered indie frameworks now?