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What did Google+ get right?

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Re: What did Google+ get right?

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The website felt slow and bloated performance-wise, despite the design being simple. YouTube feels like that now too.

Sorry for that.

I host it with write.as, and I guess they might have some scaling problems or something. It is a just a small (but very cool IMO) startup.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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It's only now that I use Twitter on a daily basis that I realize the problem of having a single feed for your private life, work, hobbies, etc. It just doesn't work and is one of the main reasons why I unfollow people. I think the underlying functionality of circles and collections are a must but maybe they can be implemented in a better and easier to use way.

I find Mastodon's Content Warnings an interesting/useful model for mixing such content, and it's interesting the number of folks I follow that are falling into a "CW everything" philosophy for this sort of reason. The "Show More" to expand a subject/topic is an interesting "pull" mechanic, as contrasted to Circles' larger focus on "push".

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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post #12
post #4

The website felt slow and bloated performance-wise, despite the design being simple. YouTube feels like that now too.

Sorry for that. I host it with write.as, and I guess they might have some scaling problems or something. It is a just a small (but very cool IMO) startup.

Hey, I'm pretty sure the parent poster was referring to Google+, not the site you wrote on.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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It's only now that I use Twitter on a daily basis that I realize the problem of having a single feed for your private life, work, hobbies, etc. It just doesn't work and is one of the main reasons why I unfollow people. I think the underlying functionality of circles and collections are a must but maybe they can be implemented in a better and easier to use way.

I find the issue is with the actual authors. One post will be something helpful to my work and then the next will some politic rant. I want a social network where I only see the former post.

That's what Google+'s collections were for: https://support.google.com/plus/answer/6320409?hl=en&ref_top...

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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The website felt slow and bloated performance-wise, despite the design being simple. YouTube feels like that now too.

And Google Cloud console. And Gsuite Admin. And Gmail. Well, maybe the latter isn't simple anymore

They seem to have lost sight on a big part of what made them attractive to begin with.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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It's only now that I use Twitter on a daily basis that I realize the problem of having a single feed for your private life, work, hobbies, etc. It just doesn't work and is one of the main reasons why I unfollow people. I think the underlying functionality of circles and collections are a must but maybe they can be implemented in a better and easier to use way.

I think of the underlying problem as "the metadata delusion."

We programmers look at difficulties users have dealing with large volumes of data and think, aha! I can solve this by giving them ways to add metadata to those data, so it can be more easily browsed/filtered/faceted/whatever. (We think that because programmers have an analytical cast of mind, which we then extrapolate from -- this would be useful for me, we figure, therefore it would be useful for anyone.) So we build these elaborate systems for storing and managing metadata, and then build elaborate UIs to expose those systems to the user.

Our system goes out to the users, and as long as those users are people like us -- analytical types -- it works OK. But then it goes out beyond that to a general audience, and suddenly we discover a new problem: namely that most users don't want to add metadata and simply will not do it, even if by doing so they could realize huge productivity gains. It doesn't matter how useful the metadata would be to them, to them adding metadata is work, and worse, it's nerd work of a kind they feel fundamentally uncomfortable with and unequipped to deal with. So they just don't do it. And they won't do it, no matter how hard you try to sell them on it.

That was the problem with "circles" in G+: not that it was a bad idea to let people split up their feeds, but that having multiple feeds required them to add metadata (creating circles, naming them, adding people to them, periodically removing people from them, etc.), and people just didn't want to do that. So they didn't.

It's not impossible to build systems that categorize data to make it more comprehensible, but if you want them to work, they have to do so in some way that doesn't put the burden on the user to keep everything correctly tagged/categorized/faceted/whatever. Because they just will not do that, no matter how many carrots you dangle.

Re: What did Google+ get right?

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Some of this could also be "What did LiveJournal (and therefore also its clones) get right?" Oddly LiveJournal seems to always get left out of these discussions, even though it had more features than many later sites (Facebook, Twitter, etc). There's good reason to avoid LiveJournal itself these days, but the clone sites still live (e.g. Dreamwidth).
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