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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by toasterlovin »

yumraj wrote: post #3
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Also, didn't we just elect another business person and see where we are. Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

Trump is a business person in the same way that the Kardashians are business people. They have businesses, but they are, first and foremost, celebrities.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by dragonwriter »

yumraj wrote: post #3
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Also, didn't we just elect another business person and see where we are. Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

Arguably, Donald Trump is more of a media celebrity through inherited wealth that was funneled through mock business transactions for tax evasion than an actual businessman the way Yang is, but I'm not sure people are prepared to make the distinction, so that might be an effective political line against Yang even if it's not all that true in any relevant sense.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

yumraj wrote: post #3
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Also, didn't we just elect another business person and see where we are. Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

> work across the aisle and actually get things done

If the proposed action is part of / agreeable with the $opposing_party platform, I don't think I _want_ it to get done; with extraordinarily few exceptions.

I'd prefer someone who can push forward without compromising the point of the platform.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by themgt »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach in general, but I do find Yang one of the most interesting candidates so far. Just to respond to this specific point, Yang wrote recently on Twitter [1]:

There are lessons and principles that government can take from business - like treating customers well and resource efficiency. But anyone who says they are going to “run government like a business” is dumb. They require very different forms of leadership.

As a CEO you can pretty much tell people what to do. You are their boss. You are paying them. If you say we are doing something then it generally happens. The downside is no one tells you unpleasant truths.

In government most all of the time you are building consensus. You provide a vision and try to rally people around it. You build relationships. You compromise. You appeal to common goals. Things often happen more gradually. But when big things happen they can improve many lives.

[1] https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1107126100163858432

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

motivated_gear wrote: post #9
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Why though? I would like my government to be open to at least listening to lots of different ideas and applying an investment mindset to them. You're right, there is little operational experience that comes with being a VC. But you dont need that to initiate groundbreaking projects. Hoover didn't pour concrete at the Hoover Dam. Kennedy didn't know the rocket equation.

> You're right, there is little operational experience that comes with being a VC.

Operational experience is not my concern.

> applying an investment mindset to them

This is my concern. I don't trust people in the VC industry to have a healthy concept of an investment mindset.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by sqs »

themgt wrote: post #14
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach in general, but I do find Yang one of the most interesting candidates so far. Just to respond to this specific point, Yang wrote recently on Twitter [1]: There are lessons and principles that government can take from business - like treating customers well and resource efficiency. But anyone who says they are going to “run government like a business” is dumb. They require very diffe…

Are you a CEO? What you say about being a CEO doesn’t ring true to me.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by picodguyo »

nutjob2 wrote: post #8

This is entirely meaningless at this point in the race. There may be some enthusiasts paying attention right now, and they're prone to focusing on particular candidates, but a more likely bet is that most primary voters are waiting to see how candidates perform with a view to backing the best candidate who has the best chance of winning.

Not entirely meaningless. News outlets will need to select who gets coverage and invitations to debates. Absent many other objective rationales, they'll lean on poll numbers to make those decisions.

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Post by rdiddly »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I'm not so sympathetic to that idea in the first place. A business, particularly a corporation, is one of the most authoritarian structures ever devised. If the government were like a business, every citizen would be either an asset to be exploited or a liability to be eliminated.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by WhompingWindows »

Does anyone here have thoughts about the quality of candidates as it relates to their ages (i.e. comparing late 70's Bernie/Biden and these younger candidates)? While I like the policies of Bernie, for instance, I ideally would prefer someone who doesn't have a high % likelihood of serious medical issues in the next 4 years of their life.

Is there an age that is too old to be a CEO/President/Senator/leading figure? Are they necessarily out of touch, lacking in resiliency, not forward-looking, or any of the factors we look for in our leaders?

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by markn951 »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Andrew Yang has never worked for a VC as far as I can tell. What are you referring to?
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