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Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

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Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#11

The article mentions Nmap as a way of identifying cameras on the network. Does anyone know how robust of a solution this is, or if there are other ways of ensuring that any cameras are found?

Not robust at all. It assumes that the person who set up the cameras and the network is basically just an amateur. Anyone with even a basic level of expertise in networking could architect their network so that cameras would be completely hidden from devices on whatever network guests would join.

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#13

The article mentions Nmap as a way of identifying cameras on the network. Does anyone know how robust of a solution this is, or if there are other ways of ensuring that any cameras are found?

An idiotic recommendation, but perhaps good for catching cameras placed by idiots. The cameras I’ve used aren’t even IP cameras.

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#14
Camera detectors are cheap (I purchased a combo camera detector (IR strobe type) and RF Detector (0 to 6GHZ, overly sensitive but works nicely if you retract the antenna and dial down the sensitivity) for the equivalent of $15.70 USD + shipping through amazon) and easily available these days - anyone renting an AirBNB or hotel room should get one and check the room before settling in.

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#15

Camera detectors are cheap (I purchased a combo camera detector (IR strobe type) and RF Detector (0 to 6GHZ, overly sensitive but works nicely if you retract the antenna and dial down the sensitivity) for the equivalent of $15.70 USD + shipping through amazon) and easily available these days - anyone renting an AirBNB or hotel room should get one and check the room before settling in.

Neat! Link to the one you bought? Are you happy with it?

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#16

The article mentions Nmap as a way of identifying cameras on the network. Does anyone know how robust of a solution this is, or if there are other ways of ensuring that any cameras are found?

The fing app would be a better, more widely available and usable suggestion. With the same downsides though.

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

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post #15

Camera detectors are cheap (I purchased a combo camera detector (IR strobe type) and RF Detector (0 to 6GHZ, overly sensitive but works nicely if you retract the antenna and dial down the sensitivity) for the equivalent of $15.70 USD + shipping through amazon) and easily available these days - anyone renting an AirBNB or hotel room should get one and check the room before settling in.

Neat! Link to the one you bought? Are you happy with it?

I believe it was this one: https://www.amazon.com.au/Anti-Spy-Wireless-Detector-Listeni... (note the price will probably be in AUD)

As mentioned, the RF detector is overly sensitive to the point where you have to turn down the sensitivity quite low to make it usable, which means you have to be within about half a metre distance to the transmitter to detect it. I haven't found any real bugs yet, but it will reliably detect mobile phones, wireless access points, etc.

It is pretty easy to spot cameras with it, I have hidden my phone around the house as a test and there is a noticeable glint from the camera lens when looking through the filter with the IR strobe on, so I feel confident it would find any real hidden cameras.

My only other gripe is it doesn't include an Australian power supply, so I had to purchase one separately. Overall it's a nice product, obviously not pro-tier but good for the price.

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#18

This is extremely disturbing. The author may have cherry-picked a few extreme examples, and a majority of Airbnb bookings may go smoothly. Nonetheless, after reading that article, I’ll probably not use Airbnb ever again. FUD can be an irrational beast.

There was a case a few years ago of a hotel near where I live which had a maintenance person also installing hidden cameras.

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#19

Camera detectors are cheap (I purchased a combo camera detector (IR strobe type) and RF Detector (0 to 6GHZ, overly sensitive but works nicely if you retract the antenna and dial down the sensitivity) for the equivalent of $15.70 USD + shipping through amazon) and easily available these days - anyone renting an AirBNB or hotel room should get one and check the room before settling in.

There was a Kickstarter camera detector because of the issues in Korea with females being spied on.

Re: Airbnb has a hidden camera problem

#20
I've stayed in countless Airbnb rentals and the only time I saw a camera was in a common area shared with other guests. This was disclosed. There is no "hidden camera problem" on Airbnb.

As a (legal) Superhost I place a lot of trust in my guests and have never felt the need to record them. Maybe this is because I meet at my guests in person or have a trusted friend do so. I've never felt the need to record what is going on. I am able to check my Wi-Fi remotely and see how many devices are logged on, but also don't care to do so.

If you feel the need to record guests constantly you're either a) too nervous, b) creepy or c) a commercial operator.

That being said Airbnb has put a lot of pressure on hosts to accept guests with no previous reviews. They also no longer let hosts see guests' profile pictures until after booking a booking is accepted. This makes it harder for hosts to trust guests.

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