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Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

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Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

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What can the average founder, employee, and person do in the face of this news? I understand that it’s scary, but what can we do to turn that fear into an actionable checklist?

Hedge against market risk by moving from a market index into something like a volatility index.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#12
post #7

What can the average founder, employee, and person do in the face of this news? I understand that it’s scary, but what can we do to turn that fear into an actionable checklist?

If you're a founder and this genuinely does scare you: raise money. Assuming your company stays on the same trajectory, you can raise at much better terms now than when a recession hits, especially if said recession will impact your growth.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#13
post #8

Simple explanation of what this means. Here are current yields on Treasury Bonds (expressed as an annualized rate)[0]: 1 Mo - 2.47 2 Mo - 2.47 3 Mo - 2.46 6 Mo - 2.49 1 Yr - 2.41 2 Yr - 2.26 3 Yr - 2.19 5 Yr - 2.21 7 Yr - 2.32 10 Yr - 2.43 20 Yr - 2.68 30 Yr - 2.87 In normal times, rates are higher for longer terms. This makes sense: the longer I tie up my money, the higher interest rate I'm going to want. However, r…

Thanks for this.

Question: is there any rational reason an investor would invest in a 10-year bond when they could get a better interest rate on a six month bond?

It seems like an inversion would result in near-zero long-term bond purchases.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#14
post #8

Simple explanation of what this means. Here are current yields on Treasury Bonds (expressed as an annualized rate)[0]: 1 Mo - 2.47 2 Mo - 2.47 3 Mo - 2.46 6 Mo - 2.49 1 Yr - 2.41 2 Yr - 2.26 3 Yr - 2.19 5 Yr - 2.21 7 Yr - 2.32 10 Yr - 2.43 20 Yr - 2.68 30 Yr - 2.87 In normal times, rates are higher for longer terms. This makes sense: the longer I tie up my money, the higher interest rate I'm going to want. However, r…

Thanks for this. Question: is there any rational reason an investor would invest in a 10-year bond when they could get a better interest rate on a six month bond? It seems like an inversion would result in near-zero long-term bond purchases.

If an investor believes that a recession is coming soon, then they'd be willing to receive a lower interest rate in exchange for a secure 10-year return.

The fact that investors are purchasing long-term bonds at these inverted rates is exactly what indicates a possible recession. The lower price is a function of their willingness.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#15
post #7

What can the average founder, employee, and person do in the face of this news? I understand that it’s scary, but what can we do to turn that fear into an actionable checklist?

First thing, don't panic. (And I'm not trying to play on HHGTTG...).

So don't go rush out and liquidate all of your investments.

Second, always make sure you personally have a plan with savings for at least 6 months or more. Think about what would you do tomorrow if your source of income stopped and you had to make it for a year without any more income. How would your life style change? What sacrifices would you have to make?

Unfortunately, many people have very little to no savings and this isn't even an option.

If you are close to retiring (5-10 years or less), consult a financial advisor who you trust. At this point, you should have enough to live off of in safe/less volatile investments.

As a startup founder, I think the macro economics side is the last of your worries on a long list... you should always have contingencies for things not going right. For instance, a large company releases a competing product to you tomorrow...

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#16
post #7

What can the average founder, employee, and person do in the face of this news? I understand that it’s scary, but what can we do to turn that fear into an actionable checklist?

Hedge against market risk by moving from a market index into something like a volatility index.

The cost of carry to long volatility is insane, and there's no guarantee spikes in volatility will be well-correlated with drops in the market. Don't do this unless you know what you're doing.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#17
post #8

Simple explanation of what this means. Here are current yields on Treasury Bonds (expressed as an annualized rate)[0]: 1 Mo - 2.47 2 Mo - 2.47 3 Mo - 2.46 6 Mo - 2.49 1 Yr - 2.41 2 Yr - 2.26 3 Yr - 2.19 5 Yr - 2.21 7 Yr - 2.32 10 Yr - 2.43 20 Yr - 2.68 30 Yr - 2.87 In normal times, rates are higher for longer terms. This makes sense: the longer I tie up my money, the higher interest rate I'm going to want. However, r…

Thanks for this. Question: is there any rational reason an investor would invest in a 10-year bond when they could get a better interest rate on a six month bond? It seems like an inversion would result in near-zero long-term bond purchases.

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Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#18
post #8

Simple explanation of what this means. Here are current yields on Treasury Bonds (expressed as an annualized rate)[0]: 1 Mo - 2.47 2 Mo - 2.47 3 Mo - 2.46 6 Mo - 2.49 1 Yr - 2.41 2 Yr - 2.26 3 Yr - 2.19 5 Yr - 2.21 7 Yr - 2.32 10 Yr - 2.43 20 Yr - 2.68 30 Yr - 2.87 In normal times, rates are higher for longer terms. This makes sense: the longer I tie up my money, the higher interest rate I'm going to want. However, r…

Thanks for this. Question: is there any rational reason an investor would invest in a 10-year bond when they could get a better interest rate on a six month bond? It seems like an inversion would result in near-zero long-term bond purchases.

Sure, if you think that rates are going to drop next year, and would like to secure the 10 year rate instead of risking that.

Another way to express it: if today, you believe the average rate over the next 10 years will be lower than the current 10 year rate, you should buy the 10 year treasury.

This is a tiny bit simplistic as it ignore liquidity/volatility differences between buying a 10 year treasury and buying 20 6-month treasuries or 10 1 year treasuries.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

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post #7

What can the average founder, employee, and person do in the face of this news? I understand that it’s scary, but what can we do to turn that fear into an actionable checklist?

Hedge against market risk by moving from a market index into something like a volatility index.

Don't do this. See the other response as to why.

Re: Yield Curve Is More Inverted Than at This Point in Run-Up to Financial Crisis

#20
post #8

Simple explanation of what this means. Here are current yields on Treasury Bonds (expressed as an annualized rate)[0]: 1 Mo - 2.47 2 Mo - 2.47 3 Mo - 2.46 6 Mo - 2.49 1 Yr - 2.41 2 Yr - 2.26 3 Yr - 2.19 5 Yr - 2.21 7 Yr - 2.32 10 Yr - 2.43 20 Yr - 2.68 30 Yr - 2.87 In normal times, rates are higher for longer terms. This makes sense: the longer I tie up my money, the higher interest rate I'm going to want. However, r…

Thanks for this. Question: is there any rational reason an investor would invest in a 10-year bond when they could get a better interest rate on a six month bond? It seems like an inversion would result in near-zero long-term bond purchases.

Yes. For precisely the same reason you would choose a fixed rate mortgage over a variable rate mortgage.
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