I'm glad to see NYC catch up to its European counterparts. This could do wonders for the air pollution inequities that exist in the city.
Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval
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#12I'm indifferent and glad I don't live there but why not just charge what it should cost to use Public Transportation/Subways? Why look for ways to subsidize it by taxing everything else but the people who use it?
This is a good point. People don't drive in Manhattan because it's cheaper (or less tax) than Public Transportation. There's a reason people aren't taking the Subway and the best way to fix the problem is to make that better instead of trying to make the currently better options less appealing.
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#13I'm indifferent and glad I don't live there but why not just charge what it should cost to use Public Transportation/Subways? Why look for ways to subsidize it by taxing everything else but the people who use it?
Isn't congestion pricing taxing people who use the roads? An Uber driver uses the roads a lot more than your average New Yorker, what taxes exist to cover that imbalance? (asking in earnest) Earmarking tax dollars for projects is kind of meaningless. Subsidizing public transportation is a good idea anyway. High costs of transportation disproportionately hurt poorer people. If you're not for public transportation then…
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't congestion pricing taxing people who use the roads? An Uber driver uses the roads a lot more than your average New Yorker, what taxes exist to cover that imbalance? (asking in earnest) Earmarking tax dollars for projects is kind of meaningless. Subsidizing public transportation is a good idea anyway. High costs of transportation disproportionately hurt poorer people. If you're not for public transportation then…
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
Not with the strides we've been making in fuel efficiency.
An EV pays no gasoline taxes, but has similar impact on the roads to any other car. Now, EVs are a good thing... but they do expose issues with paying for transport via gas taxes.
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#15I'm glad to see NYC catch up to its European counterparts. This could do wonders for the air pollution inequities that exist in the city.
Seriously. This is long overdue. The city should also charge market pricing for street parking and eliminate large swaths of street parking: https://www.city-journal.org/html/high-cost-free-parking-146..., but this is a good, if tardy, start.
Re: Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval
#16I'm indifferent and glad I don't live there but why not just charge what it should cost to use Public Transportation/Subways? Why look for ways to subsidize it by taxing everything else but the people who use it?
This is a good point. People don't drive in Manhattan because it's cheaper (or less tax) than Public Transportation. There's a reason people aren't taking the Subway and the best way to fix the problem is to make that better instead of trying to make the currently better options less appealing.
Part of the problem is the NYC transit is frantically doggy paddling to keep its head above water. Decades of underfunding tunnel maintenance is coming due.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
Not with the strides we've been making in fuel efficiency. An EV pays no gasoline taxes, but has similar impact on the roads to any other car. Now, EVs are a good thing... but they do expose issues with paying for transport via gas taxes.
Electric usage taxes or separate metering and rates for EV charging will be coming. That or much higher registration fees to offset the lost fuel tax revenue, which has already started happening.
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#18Why not charge tourists a special subway rate (++) and finance the repairs that way, instead of creating 'exclu$ive zones' of movement.
The point of congestion pricing is to reduce car traffic, air pollution illnesses/deaths, pedestrian injuries/deaths, etc. The fact that it can also pay for the subways is just an ancillary benefit.
> pedestrian injuries/deaths
The Dodgers actually got their name from the high rate of pedestrian fatalities in NYC, albeit from trolleys.
Traffic has been causing problems in NYC for over a century.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
Not with the strides we've been making in fuel efficiency. An EV pays no gasoline taxes, but has similar impact on the roads to any other car. Now, EVs are a good thing... but they do expose issues with paying for transport via gas taxes.
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Re: Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a good point. People don't drive in Manhattan because it's cheaper (or less tax) than Public Transportation. There's a reason people aren't taking the Subway and the best way to fix the problem is to make that better instead of trying to make the currently better options less appealing.
Part of the problem is the NYC transit is frantically doggy paddling to keep its head above water. Decades of underfunding tunnel maintenance is coming due.
More like decades of incompetence and corruption.