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The Priest of Abu Ghraib

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Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

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post #5

The notion that its better to have "good" people doing bad things than "bad" people is such a trash take, but it shows up in nearly every conversation of moral consequence these days.

It would seem that in the case of interrogation, it would be best for a 'good' person to do the job to reduce the number of false-positives?

Or for that matter the idea that a "good" person will do less harm in a "bad" situation than someone that's outright malicious.

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

#12
post #3

This was hauntingly beautiful. A story of conscience and reconciliation with the paradoxes of war and personal spirituality/religion. His decision to join the war as an interrogator, believing his presence and oversight would ensure the humane treatment of prisoners is admirable. I often wonder what is the right thing to do: non-participation, or conscientious participation to ensure abuses are minimized.

>I often wonder what is the right thing to do: non-participation, or conscientious participation

And I often hear people talk about how they would punch nazis. Yet when being in the reality of present day prevailing groupthink which justifies such abuses, expecting people to "conscientiously take part" is already getting hopeful.

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

#13
What a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing. I cried towards the end as I was learning about Casteel's death. I was hoping for a plot twist, because all along Casteel was described in the past tense, so I knew from the beginning that he might not be still alive but deep inside I was hoping that he is still alive. I was hoping for paragraph that says "and now Casteel is..."

It sucks to lose someone with such integrity, values and good character. I feel like I have known him personally. May he rest in peace.

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

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What a fucking whitewash. Anybody joining an interrogation squad knows what's ahead and those joining the group in Abu Ghraib, especially after the torture revelations really had no excuse. I feel about as much sympathy as I would towards a Nazi camp guard (sorry for the Godwin, but it seems applicable).

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

#16

What a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing. I cried towards the end as I was learning about Casteel's death. I was hoping for a plot twist, because all along Casteel was described in the past tense, so I knew from the beginning that he might not be still alive but deep inside I was hoping that he is still alive. I was hoping for paragraph that says "and now Casteel is..." It sucks to lose someone with such integ…

> It sucks to lose someone with such integrity, values and good character.

Sorry? Who with 'integrity, values and good character' joins an interrogation squad?

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

#17
post #5

The notion that its better to have "good" people doing bad things than "bad" people is such a trash take, but it shows up in nearly every conversation of moral consequence these days.

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Our collective unconscious, our collective shadow: https://vimeo.com/242569435

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

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What a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing. I cried towards the end as I was learning about Casteel's death. I was hoping for a plot twist, because all along Casteel was described in the past tense, so I knew from the beginning that he might not be still alive but deep inside I was hoping that he is still alive. I was hoping for paragraph that says "and now Casteel is..." It sucks to lose someone with such integ…

> It sucks to lose someone with such integrity, values and good character. Sorry? Who with 'integrity, values and good character' joins an interrogation squad?

> Sorry? Who with 'integrity, values and good character' joins an interrogation squad?

Best question on this thread.

Some food for thought:

https://vimeo.com/242569435

Re: The Priest of Abu Ghraib

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post #10

Such a great godlike compassionate gentle guy ... working in Abu Ghraib without noting abuses and reporting them or even figuring out why that damm prisoner cries. I don't think I would have courage to report in such situation. Socialization that makes it all normal and very real consequences whistleblowers get would stop me. The issue is not dude. That issue is article writer trying to frame that work as something g…

> writer trying to frame that work as something gentle glossing over the actual reality of the situation.

100%. https://vimeo.com/242569435 shows this.

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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