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Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by simlevesque » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:21 PM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #7

rfugger wrote: post #3

They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…

Canada is extremely tightly tied to the US economy, and the US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this. I wish this didn’t have to be about politics.

It's not just US/Canada relations. The biggest canadian aviation company has dozens of Max 8.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by TheArcane » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:22 PM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #7

rfugger wrote: post #3

They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…

Canada is extremely tightly tied to the US economy, and the US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this. I wish this didn’t have to be about politics.

> US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this

It's all fun and games until a Max 8 nosedives on US soil

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

Thd FAA + NTSB need to do something. They need to investigate and review past investigations and come out with their findings, they can’t just say “we don’t believe it”. Even if they are right, the right thing to do is thoroughly review past incidents and issue a finding.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by bilbo0s » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

TheArcane wrote: post #12

nikanj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is extremely tightly tied to the US economy, and the US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this. I wish this didn’t have to be about politics.

> US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this It's all fun and games until a Max 8 nosedives on US soil

It'll still be fun and games. It's just that the game will be "CYA".

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by js2 » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

r-s wrote: post #9

Since its a ban on all Canadian airspace, will this effect American flights which pass over Canada? I imagine quite a few flights cross over the southern part of Ontario.

"This safety notice restricts commercial passenger flights from any air operator, both domestic and foreign, of the Boeing 737 Max 8 and 9 aircraft from arriving, departing, or overflying Canadian airspace," Transport Minister Marc Garneau said today.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by Angostura » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:24 PM UTC

rfugger wrote: post #3

They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…

> Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours

Rather like the identity of the Boston Bomber.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by jsharf » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #5

rfugger wrote: post #3

They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…

> I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion Aviation regulators and internet forums are literally at the opposite end of the spectrum with regards to jumping to conclusions.

Frankly, it hasn't even been a week. Thousands of flights happen every day, and these two accidents were 5 months apart. If it takes 2 weeks to make the decision, that actually sounds quite rushed. In the meantime every pilot on the planet is probably paying attention so they know what to do if they find themselves in the same situation, so likely the risk has already gone down slightly. I think that waiting 2 weeks until we have better facts represents a very reasonable tradeoff between safety and paranoia. It sounds to me like grounding the plane is a good idea, but I don't know exactly how the anti-stall system works, and I have no context for making the decision.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by HarryHirsch » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #7

rfugger wrote: post #3

They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…

Canada is extremely tightly tied to the US economy, and the US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this. I wish this didn’t have to be about politics.

But it is about politics. Ted Cruz spoke out in favour of grounding the 737-MAX, presumably because Southwestern Airlines is a major operator of these misengineered deathtraps and is based in Dallas. If a pilot lost control of his place and there was a crash shortly after takeoff it would hurt his ambitions.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by jdsully » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

This goes beyond aircraft at the moment. The NTSB and America in general used to lead. Now it seems the world is going to get on without them.

Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8

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Post by js2 » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

Having read many commments on HN and elsewhere since the crash, I know I’m in the minority here when I say this but to me it seems like the US airlines and FAA are following their procedures, the same procedures that make the US airlines the safest in the world, while the rest of the world is, I don’t quite want to use the word panicking, but at least giving into pressure from people who aren’t aviation safety experts.

I don’t think it’s a simple as saying the US airlines and FAA are simply being greedy and placing profit over safety. The obvious easy thing to do from a PR perspective is to ground the planes. That they aren’t doing so in the face of immense pressure tells me that they base their decision on facts and procedure, not what-ifs and public scrutiny.

Let the downvotes begin.