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An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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Re: An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #3

2015 study finds that the glycemic index varies widely depending on the individual: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/1...

I don't see where that link says that? All I find is a remark about how GI isn't the be-all-end-all of weight loss.

Also, the GI would still be relevant even if it varies, because what you really want to know is the relative GI, and the ordering should at least be preserved across individuals, right? Like if watermelons have a much higher GI than nuts in the table, you're probably not going to find someone whose personal GI is higher for nuts than watermelon?

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Post by LockNess0 »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #4

My wife had gestational diabetes. She had to mesure and log the values and her food. She is from the north of europe and I am from the south europe. Actually, her body gave permutated values between potatoes and pasta. In a same condition (starting G level, same plate, same quantities, same level of activity, same hour, etc), she could eat potatoes without issue, pasta (even whole wheat) was systematically making her…

If she was Northern European, she evolved with potatoes, and you, a Southern European, evolved with Pasta, clearly /s

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Post by jwr »

Link to the page with the article downloadable as a PDF: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/66/5/1264/4655967

(I really really hate web pages that take over a PDF, present a poorly-implemented crappy PDF reader experience and do not offer an easily-accessible "Download and read in a sane reader app" button)

Re: An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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Post by SilasX »

wdewind wrote: post #9
keymone wrote: post #8

> However, some proteinand fat-rich foods (eggs, beef, fish, lentils, cheese, cake, anddoughnuts) induced as much insulin secretion as did some carbohydrate-rich foods (eg, beef was equal to brown rice andfish was equal to grain bread). what? that makes zero sense, at least in case with fat. anybody got quick explanation for this? Edit: found the TLDR explanation in another part of the paper > postprandial insulin re…

This actually makes a ton of sense and is what people on the sidelines of the insulin debate have been screaming since Gary Taubes starting publishing his work about dietary sugar. Unfortunately it's given people a very non-nuanced view of the science. The problem is not dietary sugar, it is blood sugar levels, which are elevated by many things (including protein and fat), but more than anything by excess calories. T…

Intuitively, you would expect that "drinking from the firehose" is not going to let you capture as much of the water as if you sipped from a trickle, and that same dynamic should apply generally: all customers come at the same time vs an hour, all enemies attack at once vs individually, etc.

Unless, of course, the human body historically faced strong selective pressures to efficiently store energy when you have to eat a lot at once.

Re: An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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Post by wdewind »

SilasX wrote: post #14
wdewind wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This actually makes a ton of sense and is what people on the sidelines of the insulin debate have been screaming since Gary Taubes starting publishing his work about dietary sugar. Unfortunately it's given people a very non-nuanced view of the science. The problem is not dietary sugar, it is blood sugar levels, which are elevated by many things (including protein and fat), but more than anything by excess calories. T…

Intuitively, you would expect that "drinking from the firehose" is not going to let you capture as much of the water as if you sipped from a trickle, and that same dynamic should apply generally: all customers come at the same time vs an hour, all enemies attack at once vs individually, etc. Unless, of course, the human body historically faced strong selective pressures to efficiently store energy when you have to ea…

> Unless, of course, the human body historically faced strong selective pressures to efficiently store energy when you have to eat a lot at once.

Right, and the intermittent fasting crowd uses the same tricks as Gary Taubes but in reverse: look what happens when you fast! All these great reparative things happen. But it's all basic science and ignores a long term (even 24 hour) view of consumption. Ultimately there might be small, statistically significant metabolic differences between consuming the same number of calories in 1 meal as spread out over multiple meals (ie: 1 big insulin spike vs multiple smaller ones), but we've had a hell of a time showing them, and and even harder time showing clinically significant differences.

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Post by will_brown »

keymone wrote: post #8

> However, some proteinand fat-rich foods (eggs, beef, fish, lentils, cheese, cake, anddoughnuts) induced as much insulin secretion as did some carbohydrate-rich foods (eg, beef was equal to brown rice andfish was equal to grain bread). what? that makes zero sense, at least in case with fat. anybody got quick explanation for this? Edit: found the TLDR explanation in another part of the paper > postprandial insulin re…

I have personally had to work through this concept...

When in deep ketosis I was experimenting with various types of protein supplements and (surprisingly) found whey would spike my insulin. Of course this seemed odd as my supplement was pure and contained no sugar/no carbs.

After researching come to find out this is well known and in fact whey has a bigger impact on insulin levels than pure glucose. Apparently the amino acids in whey trigger insulin secretion directly in pancreatic beta cells.

Edit:

I thought it kind of funny doughnuts made its way into your fat/protein list and not the carb list.

Re: An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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Post by SilasX »

wdewind wrote: post #15
SilasX wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intuitively, you would expect that "drinking from the firehose" is not going to let you capture as much of the water as if you sipped from a trickle, and that same dynamic should apply generally: all customers come at the same time vs an hour, all enemies attack at once vs individually, etc. Unless, of course, the human body historically faced strong selective pressures to efficiently store energy when you have to ea…

> Unless, of course, the human body historically faced strong selective pressures to efficiently store energy when you have to eat a lot at once. Right, and the intermittent fasting crowd uses the same tricks as Gary Taubes but in reverse: look what happens when you fast! All these great reparative things happen. But it's all basic science and ignores a long term (even 24 hour) view of consumption. Ultimately there m…

Definitely! Don't get me wrong: no matter how intuitive an idea might be, you still need to validate it with experiment.

Re: An Insulin Index of Foods (1994)

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Post by rocgf »

wdewind wrote: post #9
keymone wrote: post #8

> However, some proteinand fat-rich foods (eggs, beef, fish, lentils, cheese, cake, anddoughnuts) induced as much insulin secretion as did some carbohydrate-rich foods (eg, beef was equal to brown rice andfish was equal to grain bread). what? that makes zero sense, at least in case with fat. anybody got quick explanation for this? Edit: found the TLDR explanation in another part of the paper > postprandial insulin re…

This actually makes a ton of sense and is what people on the sidelines of the insulin debate have been screaming since Gary Taubes starting publishing his work about dietary sugar. Unfortunately it's given people a very non-nuanced view of the science. The problem is not dietary sugar, it is blood sugar levels, which are elevated by many things (including protein and fat), but more than anything by excess calories. T…

Sorry for the dumb question, but given the total calories are the same, does this mean that it is generally healthier to eat one big meal per day rather than 10 small ones?

Given my current understanding from all the intermittent fasting hype lately, it is indeed better to eat big meals rarely rather than small meals frequently. For some reason, your post got me slightly confused because I lack the necessary knowledge to have a proper model about nutrition in place.

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