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Boeing scrambles to contain fallout from deadly crash

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Re: Boeing scrambles to contain fallout from deadly crash

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Post by titanomachy »

RickJWagner wrote: post #7
gamblor956 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News' webpage looks like a tabloid...but there were 2 videos about the crash and Boeing's safety concerns on the front page when I checked a minute ago. Notably, the most liberal news site, NBC News, has a story about the Boeing MAX being safe at the top of its home page. So I think it's your imagination.

I agree, NBC is pretty much on the left. If they're calling the plane safe, my conspiracy theory must be bunk. Thanks.

You may be the most reasonable conspiracy theorist I've ever met.

Re: Boeing scrambles to contain fallout from deadly crash

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Post by gojomo »

What an awful metaphor – "contain fallout" – for the NYT to use in its current online headline. ("Boeing Scrambles to Contain Fallout From Deadly Ethiopia Crash")

It makes it sound like there's some toxic debris Boeing is still racing to clean-up, when in fact the story is just about financial/reputational after-effects.

(NYT's original print headline for this story, "Crisis for Boeing As Safety Worry Grounds New Jet", at least avoided the problematic toxic-debris implication – though it somewhat implied the jet was grounded everywhere, or by Boeing, when it's just been grounded by some jurisdictions and carriers.)

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Post by tyingq »

gamblor956 wrote: post #4
RickJWagner wrote: post #2

This is an interesting one. NYT and CNN are running prominent doomsday stories in big headlines. Fox News has been nearly silent on this one. My inner conspiracy theorist tells me this isn't a fluke. Left-leaning sources are pouncing on Boeing, while right-side Fox is staying mum. Is it my imagination? I can't think up a reason why.

Fox News' webpage looks like a tabloid...but there were 2 videos about the crash and Boeing's safety concerns on the front page when I checked a minute ago. Notably, the most liberal news site, NBC News, has a story about the Boeing MAX being safe at the top of its home page. So I think it's your imagination.

I see it on foxbusiness.com, but nothing on foxnews.com's front page until I scroll maybe 4 pages down. This is on a mobile...maybe their desktop site has a sidebar?

It is front/top on NYT.

Re: Boeing scrambles to contain fallout from deadly crash

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Post by liability »

mehrdadn wrote: post #8
gamblor956 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News' webpage looks like a tabloid...but there were 2 videos about the crash and Boeing's safety concerns on the front page when I checked a minute ago. Notably, the most liberal news site, NBC News, has a story about the Boeing MAX being safe at the top of its home page. So I think it's your imagination.

Is NBC that far left? I felt like MSNBC was further...

I agree. So what does MSNBC say about it?

Personally I doubt a strong correlation will be found, other than the American/foreign media dichotomy.

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Post by drunkflanker »

As mechanical engineering students at my college, we analyze failures of engineering ethics in the past to better inform our decisions in the future. We analyze a number of situations, always the culpability of the engineer is placed first and foremost to us. Whether legal culpability falls on the engineer, we are taught that the moral culpability falls on us as the arbiters of safety. I can already see that the 737 Max failures will be taught 10 years from now in the ethics classes I currently take.

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Post by analog31 »

anonymouslambda wrote: post #9

Singapore just grounded all their 737 Max flights. Aeromexico and GOL grounded their 737 Max planes today. Soon we’ll (U.S.) be the only country left flying these.

Today was the first time I ever checked the type of plane on a flight.

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Post by pcurve »

liability wrote: post #3

Boeing and the FAA no doubt believe they are protecting shareholders by not grounding the fleet, but they're risking their reputation. If it turns out that Boeing is at fault, will the American media/industrial complex be able to keep a lid on it? I doubt it.

I cannot seriously believe they are rolling the dice for the second time.

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Post by freddie_mercury »

gojomo wrote: post #12

What an awful metaphor – "contain fallout" – for the NYT to use in its current online headline. ("Boeing Scrambles to Contain Fallout From Deadly Ethiopia Crash") It makes it sound like there's some toxic debris Boeing is still racing to clean-up, when in fact the story is just about financial/reputational after-effects. (NYT's original print headline for this story, "Crisis for Boeing As Safety Worry Grounds New Jet…

> It makes it sound like there's some toxic debris Boeing is still racing to clean-up, when it fact the story is just about financial/reputational after-effects.

It doesn't make it sound like that at all. I don't think anyone except maybe you reads it that way. "Fallout" well-understood to mean "effects" or "results".

Re: Boeing scrambles to contain fallout from deadly crash

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Post by wahern »

pcurve wrote: post #18
liability wrote: post #3

Boeing and the FAA no doubt believe they are protecting shareholders by not grounding the fleet, but they're risking their reputation. If it turns out that Boeing is at fault, will the American media/industrial complex be able to keep a lid on it? I doubt it.

I cannot seriously believe they are rolling the dice for the second time.

Dumber things have happened. Boeing executives and FAA administrators may feel sincerely committed to their decision to approve MCAS without retraining and that they're doing everybody a service by keeping cool heads.
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