And I believe westerners could start a class action on Huawei as well
Over what? For taking yerr jerbs?
Have you been following Huawei in the news?
Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban
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#12Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they’ve managed to stir many waters in record time. For a company founded in 1987, what gave?
Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities.
As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh.
(Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)
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#13> “The actual and intended effect of these prohibitions is to bar Huawei from significant segments of the U.S. market for telecommunications equipment and services, thereby inflicting immediate and ongoing economic, competitive, and reputational harms on Huawei,” the company’s lawyers wrote in the suit. This is incredulously ironic coming from a Chinese company. China, who sets up just about every barrier imaginable…
I also find Huawei's position quite rich given they built their product stack from stealing Nortel IP in the 2000s.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely a case of using the somewhat fair US court systems to enforce a do as we say not as we do scenario. I imagine the USG will envoke national security protections to limit exposure of any information as they have in the past. I don't really see this case going anywhere, more so with EU countries making similar claims and allegations of their operating practices.
IMO Huawei's just seeking to rehabilitate their image, if the US refuses to publicly release evidence that contradicts the preponderance of sources that couldn't find back doors, then the entire US campaign against Huawei can be dismissed as a smear campaign. It's going to make US look dirty/petty and allows Huawei/China to save face. Huawei shares source code with GCHQ and US have already hacked into Huawei internal…
...the US narrative which so far seems to be feels over reals.
Wow that's the last several decades in a nutshell.
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#15Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they’ve managed to stir many waters in record time. For a company founded in 1987, what gave?
Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)
The issue is not back doors in my opinion. It's more that the US is expecting 5G to be big (really big) and they don't want to world relying on China for their infrastructure. It's bad for (America's) national security and it gives China too much clout.
Re: Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban
#16Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they’ve managed to stir many waters in record time. For a company founded in 1987, what gave?
Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)
your ignorance is disgusting.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)
The issue is not back doors in my opinion. It's more that the US is expecting 5G to be big (really big) and they don't want to world relying on China for their infrastructure. It's bad for (America's) national security and it gives China too much clout.
ESPECIALLY in Five Eyes locales.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely a case of using the somewhat fair US court systems to enforce a do as we say not as we do scenario. I imagine the USG will envoke national security protections to limit exposure of any information as they have in the past. I don't really see this case going anywhere, more so with EU countries making similar claims and allegations of their operating practices.
IMO Huawei's just seeking to rehabilitate their image, if the US refuses to publicly release evidence that contradicts the preponderance of sources that couldn't find back doors, then the entire US campaign against Huawei can be dismissed as a smear campaign. It's going to make US look dirty/petty and allows Huawei/China to save face. Huawei shares source code with GCHQ and US have already hacked into Huawei internal…
> most countries probably leans towards Huawei anyway (more advanced and cheaper)
cheaper yes, but not really more advanced. (speaking of their RAN technology as well as their O&M plane, also their cloud is a clusterfcuk)
> Hell even 3/5 Five Eyes are currently undecided.
could you elaborate a bit more please? My understanding was that Australia, NZ, and UK were all aligned with the narrative pushed by the US. Which leaves Canada?
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#19It is unbelievable that Huawei can do this in US and pretty much in any democratic country. The reverse is absolutely not true. The Chinese government has used every tool at its disposal to make life miserable for foreign competitors - see Google's exit, AWS, Apple, Uber and countless other companies were / are still being harassed. When was the last time a foreign company won a court case in China against its local…
So do you want us all to sink to their level, or actually be the democratic countries we pretend to be?
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#20> “The actual and intended effect of these prohibitions is to bar Huawei from significant segments of the U.S. market for telecommunications equipment and services, thereby inflicting immediate and ongoing economic, competitive, and reputational harms on Huawei,” the company’s lawyers wrote in the suit. This is incredulously ironic coming from a Chinese company. China, who sets up just about every barrier imaginable…
I don't see what is ironic about a company playing along with international trade rules set by the US, a country that also defends their internal market (e.g. buy american act, recent tariffs on steel, etc.)