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Thunderbolt 3 becomes USB4, royalty-free

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Re: Thunderbolt 3 becomes USB4, royalty-free

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Post by yssrn »

MR4D wrote: post #10

HA! They followed my naming convention !! ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19258939 ) Ok, that's probably just a coincidence...but still. :)

The funny thing is that "USB4" doesn't have a space in the name while "USB 3.2", which they just rebranded everything else as last week, has a space. It has to be some kind of magnificent troll.

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Post by MR4D »

yssrn wrote: post #11
MR4D wrote: post #10

HA! They followed my naming convention !! ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19258939 ) Ok, that's probably just a coincidence...but still. :)

The funny thing is that "USB4" doesn't have a space in the name while "USB 3.2", which they just rebranded everything else as last week, has a space. It has to be some kind of magnificent troll.

It's almost as if a secret RS-232 spy got onto the naming committee and is doing everything possible to derail the standard and bring back the parallel port.

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Post by linksnapzz »

bjoli wrote: post #13
ris wrote: post #7

So... USB4 will be hideously insecure by default?

Is Thunderbolt worse than USB??! Edit: my god. It is just like a hot-pluggable PCI. DMA for everyone!

IIRC, Firewire had/has the same issue; DMA from whereever you please...this was known years ago, but I guess this is a hard problem to solve for high-bandwidth low-latency IO devices....

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#16

Post by mixmastamyk »

Leace wrote: post #5

I've been using Thunderbolt 3 for years now (through Dell's TB16 dock station and XPS 9350) and have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely cool to connect only one wire and have everything plugged in but it leaves much to be desired in practice. For example, currently the dock frequently disconnects and reconnects itself on OS start. I've reproduced it on Windows and on Linux. Another thing is that the connector i…

I've a similar setup and no problems. Perhaps try updating the firmware, and reseating the connections. If there are still problems perhaps some parts need to be replaced.

Re: Thunderbolt 3 becomes USB4, royalty-free

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Post by wslh »

Leace wrote: post #5

I've been using Thunderbolt 3 for years now (through Dell's TB16 dock station and XPS 9350) and have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely cool to connect only one wire and have everything plugged in but it leaves much to be desired in practice. For example, currently the dock frequently disconnects and reconnects itself on OS start. I've reproduced it on Windows and on Linux. Another thing is that the connector i…

Using Dell XPS 13 (9365) and Dell TB16 in Windows with three monitors. My experience is great except for months where USBs were not recognized and I couldn't use the dock because I couldn't use the keyboard and mouse. I assume the problem was fixed after some drivers/firmware updates. I continue to see some issues that I can tolerate.

I love the vision of the Thunderbolt technology because you can have a standard way to switch your notebook to a desktop mode using a single cable but at the same time it is clear that Windows and Windows based notebooks live in "no man's land", there is no good integration and nobody to blame about the hardware and software integration.

I imagine in the future you can have good eGPU support and may be additional processors.

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Post by Leace »

wslh wrote: post #17
Leace wrote: post #5

I've been using Thunderbolt 3 for years now (through Dell's TB16 dock station and XPS 9350) and have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely cool to connect only one wire and have everything plugged in but it leaves much to be desired in practice. For example, currently the dock frequently disconnects and reconnects itself on OS start. I've reproduced it on Windows and on Linux. Another thing is that the connector i…

Using Dell XPS 13 (9365) and Dell TB16 in Windows with three monitors. My experience is great except for months where USBs were not recognized and I couldn't use the dock because I couldn't use the keyboard and mouse. I assume the problem was fixed after some drivers/firmware updates. I continue to see some issues that I can tolerate. I love the vision of the Thunderbolt technology because you can have a standard way…

Thanks for sharing your setup & experience!

Re: Thunderbolt 3 becomes USB4, royalty-free

#19

Post by Leace »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #16
Leace wrote: post #5

I've been using Thunderbolt 3 for years now (through Dell's TB16 dock station and XPS 9350) and have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely cool to connect only one wire and have everything plugged in but it leaves much to be desired in practice. For example, currently the dock frequently disconnects and reconnects itself on OS start. I've reproduced it on Windows and on Linux. Another thing is that the connector i…

I've a similar setup and no problems. Perhaps try updating the firmware, and reseating the connections. If there are still problems perhaps some parts need to be replaced.

I just checked and I do have the latest firmware for both the laptop and the dock. The issue still persists.

What is your motherboard version? Mine is A03. I had the initial one replaced. (I also replaced TB15 that was a total failure)

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