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France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Tax on sales is bad.

It will hit the startups the most. Why? Most big companies have economies of scale and small companies must pinch every dollar. Already tax avoidance is best done by large players, not small ones. So please vote against it if you are an entrepreneur and wanna become rich through entrepreneurship and hard work.

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

#12
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understood the article, this is a tax on sales, not profits.

To ddebernardy's point then, why not charge VAT?

I assume this is on top of VAT (the article does not say).

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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At least in US Amazon already adds tax in purchase price. Similarly when you buy copy of software, tax is already added. For ad bills to publishers, I would think it’s the same. So what does this “digital tax” is about?

The big issue here is that eventually all taxes will be transferred to end customers. The profits for businesses don’t get lowered because of more taxes (unless demand drops). So people in every country should be worried when government eyes for more taxes.

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Tax on sales is bad. It will hit the startups the most. Why? Most big companies have economies of scale and small companies must pinch every dollar. Already tax avoidance is best done by large players, not small ones. So please vote against it if you are an entrepreneur and wanna become rich through entrepreneurship and hard work.

That sounds very fixable without abandon sales tax altogether.

Lots of rules already target larger companies and not smaller ones.

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Tax evasion is already illegal.

Tax evasion is, but tax avoidance isn’t.

What's 'tax avoidance'? Doesn't everyone avoid tax when they claim expenses and make deductions?

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Couldn't we just ban tax evasion? What makes it so hard? (honest question) A recent European study has shown that the more company win money, the less they pay in taxes (in percentage). Is it because of bad laws? Corrupt politicians? Something else?

First, it is not tax evasion if the law is being followed. The real problem is that tax laws have these various loopholes, and the question is why the law is written that way. Almost always it is because wealthy people benefit from the loopholes and lobby for politicians to either keep them in place or replace them with new loopholes (which is the likely outcome from this French tax). When the tax code is complicated enough, as it will inevitably become over time, you wind up with a situation where accountants find creative ways to combine different aspects of the tax code to minimize a company or individual's tax bill.

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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Couldn't we just ban tax evasion? What makes it so hard? (honest question) A recent European study has shown that the more company win money, the less they pay in taxes (in percentage). Is it because of bad laws? Corrupt politicians? Something else?

tax evasion is illegal; tax minimization is lowering your tax burden using existing laws and is not illegal.

Governments should reduce the number of unintentional loopholes but (a) it's far easier to pass new laws than amend old ones, (b) if you change a law that an existing big domestic firm or voting block is exploiting they will let you know at the polls; with a new law you can sell it as "balanced fiscal justice - righting a great wrong by making big foreign multinationals pay their fair share!"

I'm definitely not against tax reform, my big concern is the common approach of new taxes as political theater without any honest attempt at simplification, broad application or coordination with other jurisdictions. All this tax is doing is targeting a small, low-vote target that will figure out a complicated way to shift taxable revenue into a different jurisdiction, perpetuating the exact problem it supposedly addresses.

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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It's because for an international company there is really no clear cut way to say what is tax evasion and what is not. If your company is incorporated in France, has offices in Ireland and serves customers all over the world, how do you calculate where to pay what? Sovereign countries are free to set their tax rate to 0 in order to attract companies there.

>Sovereign countries are free to set their tax rate to 0 in order to attract companies there. Then those companies should only sell products and services in those countries. Otherwise, something should be done about it. I'm not saying it's easy, but it can be improved.

So exporting should be illegal?

Re: France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet Giants

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understood the article, this is a tax on sales, not profits.

To ddebernardy's point then, why not charge VAT?

VAT is generally not paid from b2b transactions which are the vast majority of ad sales.

To be precise you do pay VAT in some cases but then it is refunded. So no money to government.

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