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Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #7

I was amazed that someone could steal so much art and imagined a sophisicated and expert professional thief with a brilliant mind for security and a taste in art. But apparently he just picked it up off the wall and walked out the door with it. You can't get away with that at most grocery stores.

There was a Russian guy recently that did exactly that [1], and then swat showed up at his home not long after.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0V8APbxMqM

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I wonder if the deterrence aspect of law enforcement is actually working in Western countries.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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> Most of the loot was hidden in his family home. Subsequently, his mother destroyed and threw away dozens of paintings and drawings, some by Cranach, Bruegel and Watteau, and dumped more than a hundred works into a canal. A pious woman, she chose not to destroy a Medieval sculpture of the Virgin Mary, abandoning it instead in a forest chapel.

I'm curious why she chose to do this. Was she trying to hide the evidence? Did she just consider the art to be junk?

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His mother is a terrible person who should go to prison for life for intentional destruction of irreplaceable cultural items in order to cover up serious crimes. What do we hope to gain from locking up an old woman?

General deterance. It makes it clear to others that destruction of evidence can be far worse than the crime you are attempting to hide.

"If only we lock up this one more person, _then_ it'll finally be clear."

How's prison working out as a deterrent, generally?

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #12

I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I wonder if the deterrence aspect of law enforcement is actually working in Western countries.

> I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken?

I'm a serial jay walker. I'm not sure that's evidence of the crumbling of western civilization.

I don't think the law should aim to eliminate all crime. In my opinion, there are systemic limits to how efficient law enforcement can me: clamp down too hard on type 2 errors, and type 1 errors rear their ugly heads.

Which isn't to say that what we've got is the best that can be.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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> Most of the loot was hidden in his family home. Subsequently, his mother destroyed and threw away dozens of paintings and drawings, some by Cranach, Bruegel and Watteau, and dumped more than a hundred works into a canal. A pious woman, she chose not to destroy a Medieval sculpture of the Virgin Mary, abandoning it instead in a forest chapel. I'm curious why she chose to do this. Was she trying to hide the evidence?…

Maybe evidence hiding even though he apparently confessed. Otherwise she would have thrown it in the garbage and kept the Virgin Mary for herself? Assuming she thought it rationally...

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #7

I was amazed that someone could steal so much art and imagined a sophisicated and expert professional thief with a brilliant mind for security and a taste in art. But apparently he just picked it up off the wall and walked out the door with it. You can't get away with that at most grocery stores.

That's because a lot of people rob grocery stores (and banks.) Once stealing becomes common place in museums they'll act as insurance companies will force them to.

Amazing how they have, maybe a security guard, and millions of dollars in art hanging. Granted art can be recovered and stolen one cannot be sold easily

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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> Most of the loot was hidden in his family home. Subsequently, his mother destroyed and threw away dozens of paintings and drawings, some by Cranach, Bruegel and Watteau, and dumped more than a hundred works into a canal. A pious woman, she chose not to destroy a Medieval sculpture of the Virgin Mary, abandoning it instead in a forest chapel. I'm curious why she chose to do this. Was she trying to hide the evidence?…

Omg she threw away a Breugel that should be prison time.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #7

I was amazed that someone could steal so much art and imagined a sophisicated and expert professional thief with a brilliant mind for security and a taste in art. But apparently he just picked it up off the wall and walked out the door with it. You can't get away with that at most grocery stores.

There was a Russian guy recently that did exactly that [1], and then swat showed up at his home not long after. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0V8APbxMqM

Wait WTF how does that even work? The guy picked up the painting while an entire crowd was looking at it, and proceeded to walk away... That's Borat level absurdity.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #12

I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I wonder if the deterrence aspect of law enforcement is actually working in Western countries.

> I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I'm a serial jay walker. I'm not sure that's evidence of the crumbling of western civilization. I don't think the law should aim to eliminate all crime. In my opinion, there are systemic limits to how efficient law enforcement can me: clamp down too hard on type 2 errors, and type 1 errors re…

I've heard the term jaywalking a few times (with a dispiseful tone) and looked it up now. the concept doesnt even make sense to me. here the 'weaker' have precedence over the 'stronger'. plus there's always the 'vertrauensgrundsatz' (principle of reliance) that states that you have to rely on others to behave correct (except children), but as soon as they give you a sign that this might not be the case it's _your_ duty to compensate. man I'm glad not to live in the land of the free.....
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