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Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

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Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#11
a female only group is a rational response to a brogrammer culture. a desire for a femcentric branch forum {note i didnt say sub forum} is something that should be taken as a symptom of a systemic problem. women, are already segregated devalued and even attacked for thier gender, right here in SV, and right here in YC and HN. ostriches are not the only bird that thrust thier heads in the sand.

segregation has happened before.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Burning

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#13

A female only forum has proven successful and useful. Wouldn’t it logically follow to separate men and women in the workplace and in school?

I suspect it's more likely that there's just a lot of latent talent in women due to being undervalued. A female-only group is a coarse way to create an org that unlocks that value, but there are plenty of ways to do it in a mixed environment. One that I'd like to see more of is a zero-tolerance policy for anyone who marginalizes women in the workplace (e.g. people who file tone complaints only against women, people w…

> I see a lot of those things still happening in tech companies, which leads to women underperforming in mixed groups.

It's an ironic tragedy of the commons.

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#14

None of the women techies I know would be caught dead associating with something like this.

Or none of the women techies you know want to admit in front of you they want a place like this.

Not saying you don't know them, but I am saying that admitting to wanting to talk to other women has traditionally been admitting to weakness in the workplace.

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#15

None of the women techies I know would be caught dead associating with something like this.

FWIW my girlfriend is pretty interested in this. And yes, I'd call her a techie: PhD in computer science, worked at Microsoft, FB, LinkedIn, and a bunch of smaller companies.

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it's more likely that there's just a lot of latent talent in women due to being undervalued. A female-only group is a coarse way to create an org that unlocks that value, but there are plenty of ways to do it in a mixed environment. One that I'd like to see more of is a zero-tolerance policy for anyone who marginalizes women in the workplace (e.g. people who file tone complaints only against women, people w…

> I see a lot of those things still happening in tech companies, which leads to women underperforming in mixed groups. It's an ironic tragedy of the commons.

this is why moderation is required. if a group facilitator allows a womans attempt toward contribution to be loudmouthed over into oblivion there is an entrenched problem.

this is not a tragedy of the commons this is systemic fraternalism

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#17
post #4

A female only forum has proven successful and useful. Wouldn’t it logically follow to separate men and women in the workplace and in school?

Single-sex schools have also proven successful,but research results are mixed and drowned in politics from both pro- and anti- camps.

I think the consensus is that single-sex schools don't work for everyone but in a broad sense (and somewhat counterintuitively to me) work better for a larger percentage of boys than the percentage of girls. Of course these are broad conclusions; those "success" percentages may be small (I haven't followed this work closely). Anecdoctally it was great for me while my sister considered it disastrous for herself.

Despite being happy with my single sex education, I'm really glad that scouting is finally been desegregated in the US as I noticed in scouting in Palo Alto that the boy scouts had much better opportunities than the Girl Scouts did. And I can be glad even though I did notice my son benefited from having a section of his life that was male-only. That will probably still be possible.

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#18
I don't know why so many commentators are taking a polar stance.

I sometimes hang out with people from my native country; that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with the USA or Americans born here. Some things still strike me as weird, and some things I do strike others as weird so it's occasionally nice to be immersed in a group of people who understand that.

And I come from an English-speaking country and am treated like a white male (not true for me as a kid before I came here). I think this phenomenon of sometimes stepping into a "subset community" would be far more useful for folks who don't fit that dominant model.

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#19

A female only forum has proven successful and useful. Wouldn’t it logically follow to separate men and women in the workplace and in school?

Those are totally different subjects.

The Canadian Navy did some work pre-2000 that showed when there were only a tiny handful of women on a ship, it was hard/stressful, but when there was a 'critical mass' of say 8% of the ship female, it worked out. So they could make some small adjustments to deployment rosters and get better performance.

So 'small minority groups' sometimes need a means to coalesce a little bit and work through issues etc..

VC/entrepreneurialism is way male oriented for whatever reason. Much more so than 'regular business'. So some kind of women's meetups or whatever might help.

'Gender segregation' in education is just another thing entirely. It's about focus, social development etc..

Re: Y Combinator’s Women-Only Forum Is Becoming Its Own Business

#20
This may be illegal in California. Discrimination on the basis of sex for events open to the public is forbidden. It’s quite broadly construed too, for example bars can’t legally have ladies night.

Edit: To clarify, a nonprofit women’s forum appears fine, but turning it into a business not so much.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_Civil_Rights_Act

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