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Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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jxramos wrote: post #6
m3nu wrote: post #3

With China being very homogeneous in terms of race, they never worked through those issues. I don't blame them. My grand parents, who lived in the countryside all their life would react in a similar way. Small anecdote: I attended an English class at a Chinese business university. The teacher (young girl, never left China in her life) told us that everything "French" means "sex/porn/etc", i.e. "french book", "french…

I thought you were possibly exaggerating. There really is such an ad. Pretty horrible. I never heard of this news almost 3 years after the fact. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/28/china-racist-d...

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Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #9
m3nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, yes. For the country as a whole Han Chinese are 91.6%. The workers who go to Kenya are probably from coastal regions, where the ratio will be even higher. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

Your comment and the parent can be true at the same time.

A quick search leads me to this Wikipedia entry that claims exactly that:

As of 2010, the combined population of officially recognised minority groups comprised 8.49% of the population of mainland China.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by PakG1 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #9
m3nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, yes. For the country as a whole Han Chinese are 91.6%. The workers who go to Kenya are probably from coastal regions, where the ratio will be even higher. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

I think you genuinely think you're right and everyone else wrong. I'm not sure how to explain to you the implications of over 90% if you don't understand already. China could have a million ethnic groups and it wouldn't change the specific situation being discussed when you have one group over 90%.

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by m3nu »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #9
m3nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, yes. For the country as a whole Han Chinese are 91.6%. The workers who go to Kenya are probably from coastal regions, where the ratio will be even higher. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

Coastal regions are 98% Han Chinese. They love to tell you about those 50 ethnic groups, but most of them live in the "wild west". Places, like Tibet that China annexed at some point. Normal Chinese don't have much contact with those groups. They don't work in the same office or date.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/8ojye4/percentage_...

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by ithkuil »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #9
m3nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, yes. For the country as a whole Han Chinese are 91.6%. The workers who go to Kenya are probably from coastal regions, where the ratio will be even higher. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

I don't understand why you're taking Japan as a contrasting example. Japan has roughly one tenth of China's population. According to your own numbers they have one tenth of native ethnicities. Thus that metric is not striking me as contrasting.

Perhaps a better metric would be the ratio of the dominant ethnic group to the whole population which Japan is perhaps is the country that has the highest one.

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by cepth »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #9
m3nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, yes. For the country as a whole Han Chinese are 91.6%. The workers who go to Kenya are probably from coastal regions, where the ratio will be even higher. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

I don’t think the parent commenter is far off here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic....

Granted, Han Chinese in the modern sense is a bit of a constructed identity (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6e312e/is_th...), but it’s a construction that has held up in China.

With the exception of Guangdong and Hong Kong, you aren’t going to find many TV stations or newspapers that are carrying content in non-Mandarin Chinese. Yes, when I visit older family in the countryside, they may still speak their local dialect, but that is becoming increasingly rare: https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/on-saving-....

Unlike in the US where African and French influences produced creole, and American pop culture has strong African and Latin influences, I don’t think minority group culture in China has anywhere near the same pull. Yes, they may trot out ethnic minority performers once a year during the CCTV New Year’s Gala, but you will not find “minority” singers charting on best seller lists, or “minority” actors in leading entertainment roles.

A 90%+ majority ethnic group is on par with what we see in Western Europe. Do Europeans see themselves as primarily multi-ethnic states? The self-description of a “melting pot” that is commonly used in the US, Canada, and even Central America don’t seem to be nearly as prevalent in Europe.

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by Simon_says »

jxramos wrote: post #6
m3nu wrote: post #3

With China being very homogeneous in terms of race, they never worked through those issues. I don't blame them. My grand parents, who lived in the countryside all their life would react in a similar way. Small anecdote: I attended an English class at a Chinese business university. The teacher (young girl, never left China in her life) told us that everything "French" means "sex/porn/etc", i.e. "french book", "french…

I thought you were possibly exaggerating. There really is such an ad. Pretty horrible. I never heard of this news almost 3 years after the fact. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/28/china-racist-d...

Horrible is a matter of taste. I thought it was hilarious.

> “If we just show laundry like all the other advertisements, ours will not stand out.”

He's right. I haven't paid as much attention to a detergent ad since Tide's Superbowl ad.

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by reversengineer »

cepth wrote: post #16
inferiorhuman wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, no. There are fifty five formally recognized by the PRC including ones they're actively trying to exterminate (e.g. Uyghur). Within the Han community there is still a significant amount of diversity including countless dialects of the Mandarin and Cantonese languages. Your comment is a bit like claiming that with all the white people in Europe, it's not a very diverse place. In contrast the Japanese government re…

I don’t think the parent commenter is far off here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic... . Granted, Han Chinese in the modern sense is a bit of a constructed identity ( https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6e312e/is_th... ), but it’s a construction that has held up in China. With the exception of Guangdong and Hong Kong, you aren’t going to find many TV stations or newspapers tha…

>With the exception of Guangdong and Hong Kong, you aren’t going to find many TV stations or newspapers that are carrying content in non-Mandarin Chinese.

Just a quick clarification: Mandarin is a spoken form of Chinese, and therefore cannot be "printed" in a newspaper. In Guangdong, the newspapers are printed in simplified Chinese characters. In Hong Kong, the newspapers are printed in traditional Chinese characters.

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by reactor4 »

Simon_says wrote: post #17
jxramos wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you were possibly exaggerating. There really is such an ad. Pretty horrible. I never heard of this news almost 3 years after the fact. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/28/china-racist-d...

Horrible is a matter of taste. I thought it was hilarious. > “If we just show laundry like all the other advertisements, ours will not stand out.” He's right. I haven't paid as much attention to a detergent ad since Tide's Superbowl ad.

Wow

Re: Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination (2018)

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Post by messe »

reversengineer wrote: post #18
cepth wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the parent commenter is far off here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic... . Granted, Han Chinese in the modern sense is a bit of a constructed identity ( https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6e312e/is_th... ), but it’s a construction that has held up in China. With the exception of Guangdong and Hong Kong, you aren’t going to find many TV stations or newspapers tha…

>With the exception of Guangdong and Hong Kong, you aren’t going to find many TV stations or newspapers that are carrying content in non-Mandarin Chinese. Just a quick clarification: Mandarin is a spoken form of Chinese, and therefore cannot be "printed" in a newspaper. In Guangdong, the newspapers are printed in simplified Chinese characters. In Hong Kong, the newspapers are printed in traditional Chinese characters…

Um. No. Mandarin is a language. Cantonese, which in your example is used in Hong Kong, is grammatically distinct from Mandarin. Changing from simplified to traditional characters or vice versa is not sufficient to translate from one to the other.
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