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Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by krapp »

the_gastropod wrote: post #5
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I feel like I've repeatedly been proven wrong when I have these kinds of thoughts, but surely, he can't be stupid enough to try this stunt again. After 35 days of hurting people, he got nothing . He must realize shutting the government down to try to force his will is counter-productive, right?

He's a narcissist. He believes he's winning a war of attrition and that the public is overwhelmingly on his side, with polls or news to the contrary just being more liberal "fake news."

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by donavanm »

mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

Im confused here. I thought “the shutdown” was wholly due to congress having the sole authority for funding federal bodies. How does that settle with “he will shut the government back down”?

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Post by huy-nguyen »

mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I think the 3-week thing is just a face-saving measure to allow Trump to back down and everyone involved will conveniently "forgets" about it in 3 weeks' time. Surely with the current breaking news cycle, will we even remember the shutdown in 3 weeks? If you don't believe me, come back to this comment in 3 weeks to see if I'm right.

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Post by Supermancho »

donavanm wrote: post #12
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

Im confused here. I thought “the shutdown” was wholly due to congress having the sole authority for funding federal bodies. How does that settle with “he will shut the government back down”?

He has made a deal to not agree to the budget, but to fund the non-essential (tm) parts of the government as if one (unseen) has been agreed to...or some other sort of shenanigans.

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by bdcravens »

the_gastropod wrote: post #5
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I feel like I've repeatedly been proven wrong when I have these kinds of thoughts, but surely, he can't be stupid enough to try this stunt again. After 35 days of hurting people, he got nothing . He must realize shutting the government down to try to force his will is counter-productive, right?

I haven't read it. What does "The Art of the Deal" say about negotiating in a lose-lose situation?

Though giving in on the wall may actually be his best chance of being reelected (spend the next 22 months spinning a narrative that he tried and blocked by mean ole Congress)

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by mfoy_ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #13
mfoy_ wrote: post #6

Off-topic, but damn HN... I submitted the CNBC and CBSNews versions of this. One got zero up-votes, and the other got flagged.

Now this one's flagged. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh well, I can see why HN wouldn't want every passing Trump scandal to show up on the front page, but this is pretty big.

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Post by bradlys »

jdhn wrote: post #10

So if he's going to shut the government down on the 15th (because the wall isn't getting funded), what's the point of reopening it? His base will be ticked off, that's for sure.

Look at his approval ratings by party. Republicans are not that upset by his actions.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ra...

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by protomyth »

jdhn wrote: post #10

So if he's going to shut the government down on the 15th (because the wall isn't getting funded), what's the point of reopening it? His base will be ticked off, that's for sure.

His base wants their tax returns paid. I get the feeling the date wasn't selected out of thin air.
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