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Pharo 7.0 released

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Re: Pharo 7.0 released

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Post by snazz »

collyw wrote: post #7

First time I have heard of this. What does it offer that other languages don't? What are the downsides?

Pharo is the most actively developed and used Smalltalk environment. There’s plenty of evangelism and information on the Web about it in a similar way to Lisp. Pharo takes the “integrated” in IDE to a whole new level, which is one of its selling points. You can find plenty more information about how Smalltalk-style OOP is superior to Java-style OOP, so I won’t rehash that here.

Re: Pharo 7.0 released

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Post by Tomte »

thekingofh wrote: post #10

"Everything's an object" is object oriented programming done right and I can see why Ruby and other languages used those ideas from Smalltalk. I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though. It was my biggest stumbling block. Is there a pathway to use Pharo with my traditional tools?

If you want Smalltalk without the image, GNU Smalltalk is probably your best bet.

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Post by infinite8s »

thekingofh wrote: post #10

"Everything's an object" is object oriented programming done right and I can see why Ruby and other languages used those ideas from Smalltalk. I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though. It was my biggest stumbling block. Is there a pathway to use Pharo with my traditional tools?

It's more than "everything is an object", though. It's "everything is a live object", which is why you need the entire integrated environment with it.

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Post by vvillena »

thekingofh wrote: post #10

"Everything's an object" is object oriented programming done right and I can see why Ruby and other languages used those ideas from Smalltalk. I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though. It was my biggest stumbling block. Is there a pathway to use Pharo with my traditional tools?

You can use source code control to keep yourself outside the environment, but I don't know if it's worth it. The Smalltalk environments allow for unique workflows, and that's a lot of the appeal Smalltalk has.

Re: Pharo 7.0 released

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Post by klez »

thekingofh wrote: post #10

"Everything's an object" is object oriented programming done right and I can see why Ruby and other languages used those ideas from Smalltalk. I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though. It was my biggest stumbling block. Is there a pathway to use Pharo with my traditional tools?

No, but you can use something like GNU Smalltalk (http://smalltalk.gnu.org/). But part of the allure of Smalltalk is the environment, not the language.

Re: Pharo 7.0 released

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Post by klibertp »

Detailed changelog: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-changelogs/blob/maste...

Sounds incredible! Git integration and related code management changes are especially nice, 64-bit by default is great and support for binary packages is also important. New, extensible code browser (Calypso) also sounds impressive, but I'll have to see it in action first.

Pharo is an incredibly productive environment. Fully inspectable everything (on the language level, but also on GUI level - you can inspect all kinds of widgets interactively) and the Debugger where you can define your logic as needed make for incredible programming experience. Plus, it's Smalltalk, which is a beautiful language in its own right.

With this release, it looks like Pharo may finally become more than just a toy. Looking forward to it!

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Post by coldtea »

thekingofh wrote: post #10

"Everything's an object" is object oriented programming done right and I can see why Ruby and other languages used those ideas from Smalltalk. I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though. It was my biggest stumbling block. Is there a pathway to use Pharo with my traditional tools?

>I couldn't understand the fascination with the integrated environments though

That's one of the key benefits: the environment is an object too.

First class IDE knowledge about your objects (Smalltalk pioneered automatic refactorings etc), the ability to modify it as you like, hot code reload, re-startable apps, "live" images to send for debug, etc.

Re: Pharo 7.0 released

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Post by nudpiedo »

Where does the Pharo runtime run? To which platforms can I bring its solutions? are these standalone binaries or can I create libraries or code which play well with other languages and systems?

Every time I look at a programming language, and at the HN it is every second day, I think about what kind of problems can it solve, and for what kind of platforms these compile/run their runtimes.. and surprisingly not many programming languages inform properly about the most basic feature, and prefer to go deeper into their.

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