Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management • Hacker News Board

Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by krageon » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

kochikame wrote: post #10

MrTonyD wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None at all. Just sharing my experience as somebody who was there.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence You could just be someone with an axe to grind

Their claim is not very exceptional, in fact it sounds more or less like what you can expect as the standard.

Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 1:24 PM UTC

kochikame wrote: post #10

MrTonyD wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None at all. Just sharing my experience as somebody who was there.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence You could just be someone with an axe to grind

He is and he's been doing this for more than a year. See comment history for some more outrageous claims. And of course when challenged 'he will say he made it all up...'.

Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by tabtab » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

MrTonyD wrote: post #8

tschwimmer wrote: post #7

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This is a an exceptional claim. Not saying that I don't believe you, but do you have any evidence that might help us verify this suggestion?

None at all. Just sharing my experience as somebody who was there.

Steve Jobs had implied on multiple occasion that they didn't do user testing on prototypes because their technology was too advanced for users to "get". It was associated with a quote from Henry Ford that if you asked consumers what transportation they wanted in the late 1800's, they'd say "a faster horse", not a car.

However, it turned out Apple did do user testing of pilot products during Steve's time. The claim was an exaggeration on Steve's part. There are other similar anecdotes that proved exaggerated. Thus, it appears Apple did indeed have a "bullshit kit" of some kind.

Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 8:31 PM UTC

tabtab wrote: post #13

MrTonyD wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None at all. Just sharing my experience as somebody who was there.

Steve Jobs had implied on multiple occasion that they didn't do user testing on prototypes because their technology was too advanced for users to "get". It was associated with a quote from Henry Ford that if you asked consumers what transportation they wanted in the late 1800's, they'd say "a faster horse", not a car. However, it turned out Apple did do user testing of pilot products during Steve's time. The claim wa…

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Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by MrTonyD » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #12

kochikame wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence You could just be someone with an axe to grind

He is and he's been doing this for more than a year. See comment history for some more outrageous claims. And of course when challenged 'he will say he made it all up...'.

Look, One person's exceptional is another persons routine life. I'm 60, started as an electronic hobbyist in Silicon Valley wire wrapping computers for startups - worked for a bunch of early famous names in Silicon Valley, then studied for an EE and started writing software all over the valley. I've been a PM three times, managed multiple dev teams, managed support and training, and written many hundreds of thousands of lines of code. Part of that was at NeXT where I sat next to Steve as he was creating his conference talks (he didn't sit in his office to create them.) So grow up. The world doesn't match your limited perspective. And it isn't appropriate for you to play policeman when you don't know what you're talking about. I consider you one of the people who makes Hacker News a less welcoming place for those who might have actual insights - as opposed to opening their minds to hear others perspectives.

(And every major CEO that I know of has PR teams. Bill Gates was reported to have all three of the major PR companies working on his personal image. So open your mind to new things you haven't experienced. Isn't that why something like Hacker News should exist?)

Re: Steve Jobs was wrong about middle management

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Post by sodosopa » Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:09 AM UTC

MrTonyD wrote: post #8

tschwimmer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a an exceptional claim. Not saying that I don't believe you, but do you have any evidence that might help us verify this suggestion?

None at all. Just sharing my experience as somebody who was there.

I know your background, you've been there and saw it at multiple companies in the Valley.