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Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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It is still going strong in bioinformatics/genomics. I think it's slower and clunkier than the alternatives, but for stats and graphics it's pretty easy for scientists to learn...

It's also slowly getting a foot hold in Pharma. I think the large Pharma companies would love to get out from under the expensive SAS licenses.

Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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I wonder - could R in theory be rewritten as a Python library? If not, why not? Is there any special syntax of R that makes it more amenable to statistical analysis than Python? Performance concerns? It's just a shame to see a whole language popping out of something that could just be a library.

You mean like numpy/scipy/matplot lib?

Yes, on top of these

Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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I would love to see Python become the standard language for scientific computing including statistics but right now R is popular and gets it done. Don't get me wrong, R is excellent for its purpose and I like working with it and its many specialized libraries. However, Python is fun to hack away in and is more of a multipurpose language.

R works for me right now so that's what I'll stick to.

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I'm a non-IT employee (but with a comp-sci background) working in the insurance sector, and I'm currently managing R adoption for a group of about 30 business analysts with minimal programming background. Programming in the business world is screwed up beyond all imagination. The more money a given application is responsible for, the more likely it is that it's a house-of-cards (pun intended for MVS nerds). They're a…

Ah, you make really good points about non-programming people not thinking about R as a "programming language" and thus approaching it without fear.

I'm familiar with exactly the same phenomemon in the hardware verification world, where new tools and languages keep being invented just so that validation engineers can relax that they're not expected to "program" in a real language.

Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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I wonder - could R in theory be rewritten as a Python library? If not, why not? Is there any special syntax of R that makes it more amenable to statistical analysis than Python? Performance concerns? It's just a shame to see a whole language popping out of something that could just be a library.

Something like that exists for clojure. http://incanter.org/ "Incanter is a Clojure-based, R-like platform for statistical computing and graphics."

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I'm a non-IT employee (but with a comp-sci background) working in the insurance sector, and I'm currently managing R adoption for a group of about 30 business analysts with minimal programming background. Programming in the business world is screwed up beyond all imagination. The more money a given application is responsible for, the more likely it is that it's a house-of-cards (pun intended for MVS nerds). They're a…

Is it really true that business people use R directly? Being in Forbes is consistent with it...

I recall that SQL was intended to be used by business people... and it probably has been, sometimes; but I don't think it happens much. The days of early adoption might have differed, through appealing to the more adventurous business people (as R might be now).

One thing I know for a fact: business people use spreadsheets. I think making something that easy to get things done in is an incredible achievement. As an example, I think PHP has approached but not attained it.

Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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I believe that over time, it will become the standard for statistical computing in most businesses, eventually displacing much of what SAS does today.

It's attractive to embed into databases like Neteeza, Teradata and other analytic databases, and vastly easier to use than SAS.

Even if it was rewritten in python, I think that would be unlikely to slow down it's adoption, which is driven by grad-students, researchers and quants who often have no real programming background (and frequently aren't interested in learning more than they need to generate figures for their publications).

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I'm a non-IT employee (but with a comp-sci background) working in the insurance sector, and I'm currently managing R adoption for a group of about 30 business analysts with minimal programming background. Programming in the business world is screwed up beyond all imagination. The more money a given application is responsible for, the more likely it is that it's a house-of-cards (pun intended for MVS nerds). They're a…

Is it really true that business people use R directly? Being in Forbes is consistent with it... I recall that SQL was intended to be used by business people... and it probably has been, sometimes; but I don't think it happens much. The days of early adoption might have differed, through appealing to the more adventurous business people (as R might be now). One thing I know for a fact: business people use spreadsheets…

How about a spreadsheet that uses R as its scripting language? (There's one of these for Python.)

Re: Ask HN Hackers: What's R's future?

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Incanter is a project worth checking out if you use R I believe.

as is this article - http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3726

We propose developing an R-like language on top of a Lisp-based engine for statistical computing that provides a paradigm for modern challenges and which leverages the work of a wider community. - Ross Ihaka (co-developed the R statistical programming language with Robert Gentleman) and Duncan Temple Lang (core developer of R)

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