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Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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This is the most heartwarming thing I've read in a long time! It's like a real-life Pixar short. I know I will come back to this article many times in the future. Thank you very much for sharing.

"Dindim" is a slang for money in Brazil, but in a very cute way. "Money" is "dinheiro" in Portuguese so Dindim is like saying the first part of the word twice.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

Seems there's a Quora question with some answers on this: https://www.quora.com/In-the-US-is-there-a-legal-definition-...

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

#13
To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to "anthropomorphism"), but nevertheless, that is how I believe it is. They play, they feel pain, they get bored, they get hungry, they get (ahem) horny, they get excited/happy, they love (perhaps dimmer versions than the ones we're familiar with, but anyway). Sometimes my cat would make sounds in the dark of night that sounded like... ennui.

If anything actually separates us from the animals, it's not these things- it's things like music appreciation or creativity. All the other experiential things we're familiar with seem to be shared with them.

(And yet... I continue to eat bacon. sigh. I've met pigs that were clearly happy to see a friendly face of any species... haunts me, actually.)

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you recall any specific methods for preventing imprinting?

Handlers wear sock puppets resembling the target species, and interact via the puppet while the human face pretends to be ignoring the action. If the animals imprint on the puppet, it stops existing when the handler takes it off, and the nearest alternatives are live animals of their own species.

Is that confusing or damaging to the animal?

Do they perceive the "stops existing" as dying? Should the handler remove the sock puppet out of view of the animal?

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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post #8

> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

For some reason I read the "she" as your coworker and the "he" as the raccoon

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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post #8

> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

> I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? We don't need categories to be so rigid. I have some squirrels in the yard who recognise me and follow me around until I feed them. I call them 'yard pets'. Sometimes they come into the house when they are too excited, but I've never had trouble escorting them out. I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if th…

> We don't need categories to be so rigid.

For the purposes of law we do.

> I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if they are wild.

And yet there is a case to be made for these laws to prevent animals from abuse, etc. These kinds of laws are usually well-served by having an attached definition of what constitutes a pet as it is used in the law. The more defined a law is, the less likely it is to get in the way where it isn't supposed to.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Handlers wear sock puppets resembling the target species, and interact via the puppet while the human face pretends to be ignoring the action. If the animals imprint on the puppet, it stops existing when the handler takes it off, and the nearest alternatives are live animals of their own species.

Is that confusing or damaging to the animal? Do they perceive the "stops existing" as dying? Should the handler remove the sock puppet out of view of the animal?

Not a biologist, but I've always found my dog interesting if I step on him by mistake. He barks and snaps at my shoes, trying to attack them. Stops if I take them off, and it doesn't alter his relationship with me in any way. It's like the shoe on me is a distinct animal from the shoe off me, and neither of them is related to me in any way.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? We don't need categories to be so rigid. I have some squirrels in the yard who recognise me and follow me around until I feed them. I call them 'yard pets'. Sometimes they come into the house when they are too excited, but I've never had trouble escorting them out. I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if th…

> We don't need categories to be so rigid. For the purposes of law we do. > I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if they are wild. And yet there is a case to be made for these laws to prevent animals from abuse, etc. These kinds of laws are usually well-served by having an attached definition of what constitutes a pet as it is used in the law. The more de…

> For the purposes of law we do

No we don't. That's why we have judges

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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post #8

> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

i gradually tamed the ducks that graced our pond with bits of wonder bread when i was a kid. they let me pet them and hug them and squeeze them in exchange. =)

i didn’t quite consider them my pets but they certainly weren’t wild any more.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? We don't need categories to be so rigid. I have some squirrels in the yard who recognise me and follow me around until I feed them. I call them 'yard pets'. Sometimes they come into the house when they are too excited, but I've never had trouble escorting them out. I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if th…

> We don't need categories to be so rigid. For the purposes of law we do. > I don't particularly like the idea of laws getting in the way of my relationship with animals, even if they are wild. And yet there is a case to be made for these laws to prevent animals from abuse, etc. These kinds of laws are usually well-served by having an attached definition of what constitutes a pet as it is used in the law. The more de…

Meh, I'm just talking about everyday interactions with squirrels in the yard. You're not telling me I'm going to need a lawyer to negotiate that, are you? :-)

It's consensual, the squirrels enjoy the interaction and so do I. Either is free to defect anytime.

Fun fact. Squirrels in most north american cities are not wild creatures, they were deliberately introduced into parks to create what was called 'communal pets'.

The thinking was that the need to care for them would be a positive influence on people.

There is a paper on it:

The Urbanization of the Eastern Gray Squirrel in the United States Etienne Benson J Am Hist (2013) 100 (3): 691-710.

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