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China Cracks Down on Churches

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Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

Thank you for looking at the bigger picture - I have experienced first-hand, the persecution complex from a lot of Christians. They're not bothered by other religions being targeted but when Christianity is the last one being culled, they suddenly make it all about their beliefs.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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China cracks down on 2000-year old invisible friends brain virus, as they should

They're simply cracking down on a particular brand of being staunchly non-aligned with their totalitarian vision of reality. Which is probably exactly what you dislike about Christianity, that total claim to truth, and converting or murdering people in the past, right?

So why gloat when now people get persecuted who aren't persecuting others? Because they carry the same "brain virus" as people who did in the past, as people you can't get at because it's in the past? Demonstrating apathy to murderers in the present, using a shallow similarity of the victims to murderers of the past to even laud them, is completely incoherent, and morally bankrupt.

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post #4

This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

As long as they don't target synagogues nobody in the US will bat an eye

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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> ...Christianity, which by some estimates is China’s fastest-growing religion, promotes Western values and ideals like human rights that conflict with the aims of China’s authoritarian government and Mr. Xi’s embrace of traditional Chinese culture and Confucian teachings that emphasize obedience and order.

> But the government’s heavy-handed efforts to obliterate several high-profile churches have been met with resistance among Christians....

> “If you see the police, national security or community workers greet them with gentleness,” Wen Hongbin, an elder at Xishuipang, told the congregation. “If they try to grab the microphone, I ask the brothers sitting in the front row to please stop them.” ...

> Independent churches like Early Rain, with more than 500 members, have attracted large followings in recent years, especially among white-collar workers seeking an escape from rampant materialism at the center of modern Chinese life.

> While sermons at state-sanctioned churches are often tightly scripted, independent churches boom with searing indictments of corrupt officials and rousing calls to protect the rights of the poor....

> “I saw injustices in society,” Mr. Gu said. “I saw that the government’s promotion of China as a just country that enforces laws in a civilized manner was all a lie.”

> Worried for his own safety, Mr. Gu recently closed his business, hoping to avoid government scrutiny. He said he has grown fearful as he has watched the police arrest his friends.

These people are much braver than I am, and I wish them peace and strength to overcome these trials.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Regardless of your faith (or lack thereof), I hope you agree that this is pretty horrible from a freedom of expression perspective :/

So if I get your drift, someday you'll support the "freedom of expression" of terrorists?

The church is known to indulge in borderline terrorism, just fyi. This is at least in the case of India. We suffer it every single day.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Writing from the perspective of a person who literally had a life ruined by religious ideology impairing the mental judgement of parental figures. This is literally one of the best things I've read in my life. Going to be unpopular opinion because of people indoctrinated into freedom of expression but why not. Religious ideology has done more damage than terrorism to LGBT people. The result has lead to suicides and the law has done nothing to remedy the people abused. The people running the "faith" systems are nothing more than celebs to people who desire their fix and when it develops into a mental illness of pushing upon others.. people look the other way. Since "who has all the money" gets to keep the show running. No compassion exists in this world. Just agenda pushing by who has all the finances.
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