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Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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> Added support for using Hyper-V as the fallback execution core on Windows host, to avoid inability to run VMs at the price of reduced performance Any comparisons between hyper-v and virtual box performance? I would have assumed hyper-v would be more performant.

Out of curiosity, why do you have a presumption that hyper-v would have better performance?

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Is there anyone who could explain to me why virtualbox is still being developed? I don't mean that as an attack on the developers or the software but Oracle ruined pretty much all of Sun's software with VBox being one of the only two exception along with Java.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions which is non free on commercial environments. Oracle is hunting non compliance and VB provides them with lots of telemetry.

How do you license them? I've never seen a "Buy now" link, only the text about "Free for personal use" every time.

I vaguely recall that this was discussed here on HN a while ago and somebody who had actually tried to buy the necessary license reported that Oracle would not sell them the license; IIRC, the sales person told them to "just use it, we don't care", or something along those lines.

Which is very problematic, of course, without something in writing, and given Oracle's reputation.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions which is non free on commercial environments. Oracle is hunting non compliance and VB provides them with lots of telemetry.

> Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions Don't you mean: Be careful to follow the licensing for whatever products you use.

This is not necessarily straightforward. Also, Oracle has form.

On the page cited there's no reference to licence/license. Fair enough - it's a release notes page. The only sub-page (using the menu on the left) that contains any reference to licence is the Contributors page, which isn't somewhere most users would head to.

The primary page - https://www.virtualbox.org/ - has one reference to Licence - and that's as part of the assurance that VirtualBox is "an extremely feature rich, high performance product for enterprise customers, it is also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License".

And if you read that, assumed the best, and went on your way, you'd soon be in breach.

(Yes, you should probably visit https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ despite the above assurance on the front page -- at which point you'd learn about the Extension pack, the PUEL, and other usage constraints.)

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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> Added support for using Hyper-V as the fallback execution core on Windows host, to avoid inability to run VMs at the price of reduced performance Any comparisons between hyper-v and virtual box performance? I would have assumed hyper-v would be more performant.

Out of curiosity, why do you have a presumption that hyper-v would have better performance?

Because it’s a well known fact that VirtualBox has been dodgy slow for years. Especially around I/O, it’s been the laggard.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Is there anyone who could explain to me why virtualbox is still being developed? I don't mean that as an attack on the developers or the software but Oracle ruined pretty much all of Sun's software with VBox being one of the only two exception along with Java.

Define “ruined” to you. By my definition, oracle took something that was “ok’ish, especially when you didn’t want to pay and just had basic needs” product and have slowly chipped away anything that could be considered good for most.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

From Boxes site:

> While virt-manager does a very good job as a virtual machine management software, it's very much tailored for system administration.

Exactly! Boxes looks really polished.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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How do you license them? I've never seen a "Buy now" link, only the text about "Free for personal use" every time.

I vaguely recall that this was discussed here on HN a while ago and somebody who had actually tried to buy the necessary license reported that Oracle would not sell them the license; IIRC, the sales person told them to "just use it, we don't care", or something along those lines. Which is very problematic, of course, without something in writing, and given Oracle's reputation.

That's awkward as hell. It's sad that their offering is the only decent one out there (for my needs and with that UX) that's at least got open source options. I hope VirtualPC from Microsoft becomes cross-platform and open sourced, or at least some sort of new VM software from Microsoft, since they seem to be doing a better job at offering up MIT licensed projects lately.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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> Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions Don't you mean: Be careful to follow the licensing for whatever products you use.

sometimes you just want a simple vb ubuntu vm. however virtualbox locks copy paste from host to vm support behind extensions which are free only for personal use(which you are using but good luck proving that in court)

No. Copy-paste is not locked behind the VirtualBox Extension Pack. It requires the Guest Additions, which are completely different from the Extension Pack.

Extension Pack gives things such as USB passthrough.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions which is non free on commercial environments. Oracle is hunting non compliance and VB provides them with lots of telemetry.

How do you license them? I've never seen a "Buy now" link, only the text about "Free for personal use" every time.

Good question. They don't want to sell them. Just based on the website the licenses are only sold in 5000 unit blocks.

The fact that they didn't want to take my money forced me to learn KVM and libvirt. That turned out to work better and be way easier to manage remotely.

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