Live data from Hacker News

Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

nytimes.com

11–20 of 257 posts

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#11
post #6

Counterpoint: I hear there are some startups thriving on Vancouver island in a few small towns.

That’s not a counterpoint. Of course _a_ (or some) startup can thrive there, or anywhere. That is not what a hub is. We don’t have to change small towns at all if all we want is a diverse assortment of small businesses, some of which may be tech.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Are you asking if there's a good reason why these small towns should exist?

Maybe rural america (energy, food) do Master Blaster style embargo on big cities.

You’re assuming rural Americans actually own the food and energy they produce.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#14

Are these same small towns also insulated from market crashes and recessions? Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Edit: apparently people are interpreting my comment negatively. I was seriously asking if these small town communities can act as a sort of buffer during recessions because of their relative isolation, thereby limiting negative effects. I'm not questioning whether they should ex…

Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Are you asking if there's a good reason why these small towns should exist?

Or, maybe, rather, should small towns be additionally supported.

Say, there are benefits for the whole nation (and the whole humankind) from maintaining and supporting national parks and national monuments, even if they don't and can't turn a profit.

Or, there are various considerations leading to support for local farming, even if it would not make business sense without donations.

Are small towns equally important, and require some degree of support, or should they naturally close shop and disappear sometimes, when they stop making sense, the way businesses do?

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#15

Are these same small towns also insulated from market crashes and recessions? Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Edit: apparently people are interpreting my comment negatively. I was seriously asking if these small town communities can act as a sort of buffer during recessions because of their relative isolation, thereby limiting negative effects. I'm not questioning whether they should ex…

[deleted]

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#16

Are these same small towns also insulated from market crashes and recessions? Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Edit: apparently people are interpreting my comment negatively. I was seriously asking if these small town communities can act as a sort of buffer during recessions because of their relative isolation, thereby limiting negative effects. I'm not questioning whether they should ex…

The people who lived in towns which thrived long before the economy failed them don't need to justify their existence in economic terms. The question you should be asking is whether or not this economy has any benefit to those people. What an absolutely inhuman comment this is.

I don't know the original intentions but I didn't read it that way. Seemed more like a question of the premise that a town _needs_ to be a tech hub to survive, which is sort of half implied by the article.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#17
As someone who has lived in a small town, I'd suggest Government to offer:

1. Cheaper and faster internet in the remote locations. Then people can work remotely, have skype HD chats which don't disconnect in middle. Even free internet with 400gb limit per month per house would be good enough.

2. Faster ecom delivery - If we can order the same machines which city dwellers use, well it would suck less.

Leave the rest on the people.

The people who lived around me in the small town weren't less intelligent, they had to keep up with more issues like flaky internet, not finding the supplies, not getting the work.

Internet/ecom can solve many of those issues.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#18
I recently applied to be part of Tulsa, Oklahoma's program offering $10k for tech people to move there. I'm a high income tech person and I love to teach and mentor others (it's literally my business). I never received a response. Not even a, "hey we can't offer you $10k, but here are some other reasons you may still want to move here...".

I can live anywhere in the country. I'm not tied to Houston, TX where I live I just haven't been motivated to move since I travel to fun places so much anyway.

I flat out do not understand the strategies of these cities who are trying to become tech hubs. I also don't understand the "economic development" consultants that advise them. You want remote workers? That's a strategy, but you have to work at it. You want tech companies to move there? You have to work hard at it. The best kept secret about business in Texas is how our previous Governor got on a plane with pitch deck in hand and worked hard to lure businesses to Texas. This even included ad campaigns in other states.

The mentality of most city councils, economic development committees, and governors seems to treat "building a tech sector" as some kind of magic requiring a secret incantation.

It's sales, beat the bricks.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#19

Are these same small towns also insulated from market crashes and recessions? Is there some benefit to greater America from their existence? Edit: apparently people are interpreting my comment negatively. I was seriously asking if these small town communities can act as a sort of buffer during recessions because of their relative isolation, thereby limiting negative effects. I'm not questioning whether they should ex…

That's a good question... I have often wondered if many of our environmental/political problems would be solved if we helped everyone move to major cities. But the city environment undeniably makes many people less happy. Studies have shown a link between urban living and mental illness. So it might be nice to maintain options for humans who thrive in a more rural environment.

> the city environment undeniably makes many people less happy. Studies have shown a link between urban living and mental illness.

Do you have a link for these claims? Genuinely curious, I've always wondered about this.

Re: Trying to ‘Save’ the Rural Economy

#20

Maybe we shouldn't be trying to keep these small town alive. Maybe we should focus on shutting them down in an orderly fashion and help the residents move to more dynamic areas, probably in large part by helping them acquire skills that are actually in demand there.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN