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Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by Latteland »

mc32 wrote: post #5
CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

It's interesting to see the management more aligned with the Trump admin's take on unionization and the union members more aligned with traditional union stances. This has many interesting implications. At the moment many industrial unions like Trump's policies, so I bet there is some equivocation in some pockets. The other thing I'm interested to see is if this strike will deal a final blow to Slate (basically see i…

What industrial unions like Trump? Some random blue collar workers might like him but he's been terrible for them once you get away from the rhetoric.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

#12

Post by narutosasuke »

pessimizer wrote: post #9
CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

There's also no way they'll be impartial about heath care, or the environment, seeing as they require health care, and live in an environment.

True and within articles those experiences can serve to inform, which isn't a bad thing. It's actually sort of the point; interpreting the facts and outputting them through your lens of experience

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

#13

Post by CryptoPunk »

pessimizer wrote: post #9
CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

There's also no way they'll be impartial about heath care, or the environment, seeing as they require health care, and live in an environment.

Their interests in efficient delivery of healthcare and effective protection of the environment align with the general population's. Not so their interest in laws restricting the contracting rights of employers.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by CryptoPunk »

rexpop wrote: post #8
CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

None of their leverage hinges on laws. Laws are a caching layer for rights, which are inalienable. Their leverage hinges on a capacity to organize one another and express their interests.

Laws are most certainly not always manifestations of inalienable rights. They often violate inalienable rights, and are based on manipulating public opinion with propaganda and ideology. Their position as the lens through which the public perceives the wider world gives them an extraordinary opportunity to manipulate public opinion to support social narratives and laws that benefit people in their circumstances.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by trentlott »

narutosasuke wrote: post #12
pessimizer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also no way they'll be impartial about heath care, or the environment, seeing as they require health care, and live in an environment.

True and within articles those experiences can serve to inform, which isn't a bad thing. It's actually sort of the point; interpreting the facts and outputting them through your lens of experience

And generally journalists are aware of their biases and good ones actively work against their impulse to favor one side.

The idea that journalists can be biased is not something the profession was somehow unaware of previously.

In the same way that scientists understand that they probably can make up data plausibly, they realize that they make their name with their credibility.

But of course society is presently at the adolescent phase of realizing you can physically say and do whatever you want...whether bad science and bad journalism are confronted by the social analog of thr prefrontal cortex is uncertain. Maybe repercussions will help (collapse of democracy and global warming being the two most likely)

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

Interested to see how this plays out.

I'm a Slate Plus member, mainly for the extra segment on the Slate Political Gabfest. Ironically, none of the three hosts of that show have worked at Slate in years, which is probably a large part of what makes it enjoyable.

For reasons I'd be hard-pressed to explain, I listen to a number of other Slate podcasts, even though I often find them irritating. Most (but not all) Slate writers and hosts come across less like thoughtful journalists or experts in their field, and more like college bloggers writing an angry screed about how everything in the world is terrible.

There are a few exceptions, but not many. And I do enjoy hearing from the actual experts they have on the various podcasts.

Kind of looking forward to watching this group of clowns destroy their own jobs.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

Latteland wrote: post #11
mc32 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see the management more aligned with the Trump admin's take on unionization and the union members more aligned with traditional union stances. This has many interesting implications. At the moment many industrial unions like Trump's policies, so I bet there is some equivocation in some pockets. The other thing I'm interested to see is if this strike will deal a final blow to Slate (basically see i…

What industrial unions like Trump? Some random blue collar workers might like him but he's been terrible for them once you get away from the rhetoric.

So rhetoric aside, what has Trump’s admin done to them?

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

trentlott wrote: post #15
narutosasuke wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True and within articles those experiences can serve to inform, which isn't a bad thing. It's actually sort of the point; interpreting the facts and outputting them through your lens of experience

And generally journalists are aware of their biases and good ones actively work against their impulse to favor one side. The idea that journalists can be biased is not something the profession was somehow unaware of previously. In the same way that scientists understand that they probably can make up data plausibly, they realize that they make their name with their credibility. But of course society is presently at t…

And generally journalists are aware of their biases and good ones actively work against their impulse to favor one side.

From what I can tell, virtually none of those work at Slate.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by School-Cotton »

rexpop wrote: post #8
CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

None of their leverage hinges on laws. Laws are a caching layer for rights, which are inalienable. Their leverage hinges on a capacity to organize one another and express their interests.

> rights, which are inalienable

Says who?

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by dbt00 »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #2

There is no way unionized writers/editors are going to be impartial in their political media coverage, given all of their leverage hinges on laws restricting the contracting rights of their employer.

Funny how this isn’t seen to be an issue when big money cable news reporters cover tax breaks that affect them personally.
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