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Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

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Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

#11

False flag, perhaps?

I will tell you how the short lived Russian democracy fell: it did not fell to "crazy mountain terrorists," but to people who kept on voting for food stamps, and free sausages (that is not a joke at all)

Now, when those people are genuinely fc*ked up, and have all the reasons to worry about having to eat grass in coming years, they have no food stamps left to vote for.

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post #7

The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

No one gives a fuck about services if you can’t get some bread.

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post #7

The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

You need to pay the taxes, your expenses and then you may use what the state provides. If you raise taxes and fees by X% for a few years and wages stagnate, people might forget the free education, since they can't pay their rent.

I like the European tradition, it gets their attention, and messing with people's bread and butter is a cause to rise up

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post #7

The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

Taxes on gasoline make up 50% of the price.

To pretend that the increase in taxes is there to help pay for renewable energies is a joke.

It's not a secret that the government is broke and looking to raise money any way it can.

It's trying to pass this tax increase as something that needs to be done to save the planet.

But they dont tax the fuel for tankers or airplanes so where is the logic?

It's not the little guy with his diesel car that does most of the damage to the environment.

Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protests are real. The violence is the false flag. Saboteurs planted into the crowds to try and discredit the movement.

It already happened in the previous protests at Place de la Republique.. I would not be surprised.

It's a tried and tested strategy that works for any kind of protest anywhere. People are angry and in large groups. It only takes a gentle push to create riots. The people in charge want the riots to happen so they can label their opponents as the lawless mob.

You just need to look at who came dressed for riots though. It certainly isn't the yellow jackets.

Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

#17
post #5

> Added to that is the reality that many who say they are supportive have not yet come out to demonstrate. While it is possible that this reservoir of supporters will not become activists, if they did the government would be hard put to cope. > ... > Multiple surveys of public opinion released in the past week suggest that 70 percent to 80 percent of French people sympathize with the Yellow Vests’ contention that Pre…

It’s the second Saturday in a row that there are degradation on the Champs Elysées.

Today someone even paint a slogan on the Arc de Triomphe.

I’m not sure those good sympathetic polls will last long.

Some of the yellow vests representatives demand to raise the level and start blocking gas stations.

It’s December. One of the month where shops make a good part of their yearly income.

I’m not sure a lot of people will continue to follow. We’ll see.

Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

#18
ELI5: What is the consensus on the disadvantages and advantages of diesel? I've heard conflicting information on this:

Some say reducing the number of cows would be much more effective for slowing down global warming.

Some say diesel exhaust fumes are not so bad and are unlikely to affect our health very much.

Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

Taxes on gasoline make up 50% of the price. To pretend that the increase in taxes is there to help pay for renewable energies is a joke. It's not a secret that the government is broke and looking to raise money any way it can. It's trying to pass this tax increase as something that needs to be done to save the planet. But they dont tax the fuel for tankers or airplanes so where is the logic? It's not the little guy w…

> But they dont tax the fuel for tankers or airplanes so where is the logic?

Can they ? The only thing that will happen is no plane or tanker will buy fuel in France if it is not a decision made on an international level, no ?

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The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

> Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through.

Macron is a neoliberal, it was obvious things were going to end badly. Yeah raise the gas tax, cut pensions and let the free market solve everything. Doesn't work with public policy.

It was depressing seeing Mélenchon come in third in 2017.

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