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Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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I don't want to subscribe, I also don't want to see ads or be tracked. I wish there was a universal micropayments way of paying for what I read.

If you mean automatic micropayments when reading articles then you'll still be tracked, because the payment provider has to track what you read to make the payments and even has to be able to provide a log of it in case there is a payment dispute, so they will store what urls you visit and when.

Without a proper log payment disputes can't be resolved legally.

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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The hard truth is someone has to pay for content in the end. It's either ads or some kind of paywall or micropayment. It's okay to say no to ads, but then we shouldn't circumvent paywalls. Free content is free only as long as someone somehow still pays for it.

I don't disagree, but that's a normative argument about what addons we should choose to use.

My concern, however, is Mozilla putting themselves in the position of making that judgement for their users. Even if we agree that this isn't a good addon, does that mean it's fine for it to be censored by Mozilla?

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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The hard truth is someone has to pay for content in the end. It's either ads or some kind of paywall or micropayment. It's okay to say no to ads, but then we shouldn't circumvent paywalls. Free content is free only as long as someone somehow still pays for it.

Publishers should take some basic control of the ads on their site, just like it used to be with newspapers and broadcast. Serve them from their own domain, restrict their format (no moving parts or sound, no Javascript at all), vet them for basic decency before publishing. My uBlock Origin setup wouldn't block that.

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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I don't want to subscribe, I also don't want to see ads or be tracked. I wish there was a universal micropayments way of paying for what I read.

One way to make this happen is to vote with your eyeballs and attention. If you and other internet users that feel the same way don’t consume from sites without micropayments, they will be encouraged / forced to offer a new way of monetization.

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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I don't want to subscribe, I also don't want to see ads or be tracked. I wish there was a universal micropayments way of paying for what I read.

I believe this is the idea behind the Brave browser and their Basic Attention Token https://basicattentiontoken.org

What Brave is doing is highly unethical.

If you don't want to see ads then fine it's your computer.

But Brave is hijacking ads by force then strong-arming websites to sign up to their own shitty crypto currency if they want to be paid. It's basically an extortion scheme, or a mafia stye "protection scheme"

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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post #14
post #11

The hard truth is someone has to pay for content in the end. It's either ads or some kind of paywall or micropayment. It's okay to say no to ads, but then we shouldn't circumvent paywalls. Free content is free only as long as someone somehow still pays for it.

Publishers should take some basic control of the ads on their site, just like it used to be with newspapers and broadcast. Serve them from their own domain, restrict their format (no moving parts or sound, no Javascript at all), vet them for basic decency before publishing. My uBlock Origin setup wouldn't block that.

The problem is there are many smaller publishers on the net where a handful or only one or two people maintain a site. They don't have the capacity to look for advertisers or vet individual ads. That's why they use an ad provider which does this for them.

What you say may work for big news portals and stuff, but if this becomes the norm then it will kill the small publishers resulting in further concentration of net content in the hands of the big guys.

So this direction would hurt the little guys and help the big guys, because they have the resources to adapt.

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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I don't want to subscribe, I also don't want to see ads or be tracked. I wish there was a universal micropayments way of paying for what I read.

publishers don’t like micropayments because (a) they don’t work, and (b) what people read doesn’t correlate with what’s important. It becomes a lot harder for journalists to justify spending months on a subject when the business side has hard data showing it brings in barely more than reprinting the soccer scores. What’s potentially workable is a Spotify-style subscription model.

> what people read doesn’t correlate with what’s important

What people read does correlate with what's important for them, by definition.

Re: Mozilla pulls Bypass Paywalls from Firefox add-ons store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

publishers don’t like micropayments because (a) they don’t work, and (b) what people read doesn’t correlate with what’s important. It becomes a lot harder for journalists to justify spending months on a subject when the business side has hard data showing it brings in barely more than reprinting the soccer scores. What’s potentially workable is a Spotify-style subscription model.

> what people read doesn’t correlate with what’s important What people read does correlate with what's important for them, by definition.

I would love to know more about this definition.

If doing my taxes were as exciting as my reading list I would get much more out of my paycheck.

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