Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004) • Hacker News Board

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by divbyzer0 » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

branweb wrote: post #9

snvzz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected

On August 21, 2014, Ulbricht was charged with money laundering, computer hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. None of the procuring murder allegations were part of Ulbricht's indictment in New York, although the evidence was factored into Ulbricht's sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by branweb » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:30 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #10

branweb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected

No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?

No genuinely thought that's what they got him for. Should read up on it I guess.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by ohithereyou » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:31 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #8

snvzz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #10

branweb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected

No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?

> He was never charged with that

It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed in sentencing.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by escape_goat » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:36 PM UTC

snvzz wrote: post #7

vippy wrote: post #4

I keep copies of these papers in a safe in case I never need to re-develop the Internet from scratch. No seriously, the Tor papers are amazing and even hint at the means by which Tor might be manipulated to, say, track down someone like Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving a double life sentence, plus forty years, without the possibility of parole.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

I believe that he was sentenced for money-laundering, hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. You do yourself no service to memoize this as "running a free market."

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by jstanley » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #14

jstanley wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?

> He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed…

I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was:

> On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht

It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire allegations into account in the sentencing after the prosecution have already stated that they were false allegations.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by jermaustin1 » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 4:46 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #10

branweb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected

No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?

> likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him

Do you have anything from a legitimate source on this? I'd like to read more. My understanding of this entire thing came largely from brief news reports on it.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by ahf » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:01 PM UTC

simmons wrote: post #5

jayess wrote: post #2

It mentions mixmaster and mixminion, but those projects seem to have died. I feel like they are needed more than ever.

Indeed. I've often thought that such high-latency mix-nets (with their potentially superior resistance to traffic analysis) would be a nice complement to low-latency networks like Tor.

Have a look at Katzenpost. They are trying to build a modern, high-latency, mix network.

https://katzenpost.mixnetworks.org/

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by iondfgnio » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:03 PM UTC

snvzz wrote: post #7

vippy wrote: post #4

I keep copies of these papers in a safe in case I never need to re-develop the Internet from scratch. No seriously, the Tor papers are amazing and even hint at the means by which Tor might be manipulated to, say, track down someone like Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving a double life sentence, plus forty years, without the possibility of parole.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed.

>Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part of his efforts to protect his criminal enterprise and that he paid for these murders. There is no evidence that he was role-playing.

https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sentencing_2...

Maybe you think he didn't try to commission murders. Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. But the simple fact remains: Ulbricht is serving two life sentences mostly because the judge found that he tried to kill five people.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by andai » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:07 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #8

snvzz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Word on the street is, there is a darknet site where you can bet money on what day someone's going to be assassinated. That way, a "volunteer" can bet on the correct day.