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Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you read the reason why this was dropped?

What were the environmental impacts they briefly mention?

I have no idea, don't even live in the US :) but the second paragraph mentions the reason this was dropped (local lawsuits ) so found... peculiar the vaporware snark

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#12
post #6

Well, that was completely predictable. It's not obvious to me that any of the Boring Company plans are anything except vaporware.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc?

I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have missed more than a few deadlines, and on things not nearly as important/world changing.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#13
post #6

Well, that was completely predictable. It's not obvious to me that any of the Boring Company plans are anything except vaporware.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Napoleon accomplished all of his goals too, until he didn't.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#14
post #6

Well, that was completely predictable. It's not obvious to me that any of the Boring Company plans are anything except vaporware.

I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.

Those other things don't typically require approval from local governments and neighborhoods. That is a fight entrepreneurs rarely win even successful, famous ones.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#15
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you read the reason why this was dropped?

"review of its potential environment impact" Kind of ironic that the man who for many is seen as saving the planet with his electric vehicles is trying to avoid an environment impact study.

Why do you think he's trying to avoid it?

“The parties (The Boring Company, Brentwood Residents Coalition, Sunset Coalition, and Wendy-Sue Rosen) have amicably settled the matter"

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#16
post #5

My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).

And yet development should take the environment into consideration because it can have massive consequences. Those consequences are ultimately an externality of the development project and evaluating it in advance can help inform the true financials of the project.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#17

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

Any suggestions? China comes to my mind, but that comes with a whole other can of worms.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#18

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

Good question, I imagine because you need the big city, the traffic volume, and potential users to justify the cost of doing such a big project.

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

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It seems sort of shortsighted to block a tunneling company on environmental grounds. In the long term, cheap tunneling would be fantastic for the environment. Most of what we consider the biosphere is on the surface, and to the extent that there's life in the tunneled area, by volume tunneling isn't going to be significant for a long time. (Volume is much larger than surface; in general, areal intuition fails miserably for volume.) Being able to tunnel places instead of running roads over things and such would be great.

(If indeed anyone can get too worried about potential rock-living life, since it is conspicuously lacking in anything you could call "cute".)

Re: Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan

#20

Why doesn't Musk take his business elsewhere where he's welcome? I can imagine LA being a nightmare for this sort of project. He needs a place where bureaucracy is thinner and people are actually excited about everything new.

Because he lives in (or very near) LA.
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