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Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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The article seems to take the position that Intelligent life on earth is zero sum and there is no victor. I'm not sure that is the case. Then the rest of the article details the concept of theory of mind in philosophy and how that is not congruent with how neuroscience understands the brain. I don't see where the conflict is here unless you want to believe in the theory of mind.

So far, intelligence on Earth has been zero sum. We've wiped out multiple other intelligent species until we were the only ones.

I think that was more a result of shared environmental niche more than anything since it happens with non-intelligent species as well. Predators fight over same prey niche even in the same species. Stable multipredator shared prey arrangements have a clear power differential - the stronger one can chase the weaker ones away from kills and if they are slow enough that may be their main strategy.

If there were say merpeople from a similar time table it would take a long time for conflicts to start because they have a totally different environmental niche.

Anyway early bands of hominids were nomadic by necessity due to localized depletion of food supplies. Given that scarcity it is no wonder that they would come into conflict and managed to drive megafauna to extinction. And their numbers weren't exactly high - humanity bears genetic scars of near extinction.

Said scarcity is such a thing of the past that we have food distribution problems instead of production ones.

Granted there is also a long history of zero sum thinking holding humanity back.

Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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"Alex Rosenberg is the R. Taylor Cole Professor of Philosophy and chair of the philosophy department at Duke University."

Not a neuroscientist. Not a cognitive psychologist. He gives short shrift to the utility of different levels of description to inform each other.

Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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From a skim read this article is pretty sloppy. It argues that the human OEM theory of mind is in some way unique or unreproducible. This conclusion is completely unsupported by the text, which is just a sophisticated word salad.

I'm reminded of the rule of thumb: if a headline asks a yes/no question, the answer is almost always "no."

Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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post #17

From a skim read this article is pretty sloppy. It argues that the human OEM theory of mind is in some way unique or unreproducible. This conclusion is completely unsupported by the text, which is just a sophisticated word salad.

I'm reminded of the rule of thumb: if a headline asks a yes/no question, the answer is almost always "no."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...

Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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A more informative title would be "Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat to Human Distinctiveness than AI?"

The title was very misleading, especially since AI's "threat" usually means a paperclip maximiser or something. I ended up skimming through the whole article to try and figure out what was being threatened. Until the very end I assumed it was our ability to function, knowing how meaningless consciousness is.

Re: Is Neuroscience a Bigger Threat than Artificial Intelligence?

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> What does all this mean? Watson may beat us at Jeopardy, but we are convinced we have something AI will always lack: We are agents in the world, whose decisions, choices, actions are made meaningful by the content of the belief/desire pairings that bring them about. But what if the theory of mind that underwrites our distinctiveness is build on sand, is just another useful illusion foisted upon us by the Darwinian processes that got us here? Then it will turn out that neuroscience is a far greater threat to human distinctiveness than AI will ever be.

I'm not sure how someone could believe that AI would always lack these things without also believing in some form of essentialism, basically believing that major parts of the human experience are "magic" somehow rather than derived from physical processes.

Anyway the author's major concern seems to be that neuroscience has demonstrated that desires and beliefs are not directly real in the same way that, say, your brain is a particular collection of atoms restricted to the physical confines of your skull. I suppose this could be very disturbing if you have the sense that your life is significantly more meaningful if all of your desires and beliefs are as real as the ground you walk on rather than being some illusory projection of the brain.

The problem actually arises from the associations that we have with the word "illusion". As soon as we start to think of our beliefs and desires as "illusions", it's natural to leap to terms like "fake", "false", "worthless", "deceit", and so on. In other words, there are all kinds of negative connotations that we associate with the word "illusion", so when we use that to describe core parts of what we think of as the human experience, it makes us feel bad.

But this is simply a limit of our language: what are the illusions of "beliefs" and "desires" anyway? Desires correspond to our experiences; if we want food, that corresponds to a very real physical state of our physical bodies. Beliefs are a lot shakier because they tend to be be built on complex layers of ideas, but they correspond to physical reality as well, whether or not they're particularly accurate. So these things are very useful and important despite being "illusions". And there's a huge difference between these "illusions" and direct falsehoods. So I think the real limitation here is that we don't have language that's particularly well adapted to discussing and thinking about these things.

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