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Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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Unfortunately this sounds more like a gimmick than anything else. I have a small suspicion that those who decided for that never set foot in the countries considered for this (though I might be wrong). Though it is undeniable that there is talent there and we should try to make things easier to them, there is a limit and a compromise in making things not harder for other people as well. As someone familiar with 3rd w…

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Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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not sure why they dont do India - has significant consular presence in African countries (african medical tourism is huge in India) as well as being much easier to reach from Western countries. We also have constitutional protection for LGBT communities and privacy - something that Ethiopia lacks.

The Indian govt will throw money at you if you do something like this here.

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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Unfortunately this sounds more like a gimmick than anything else. I have a small suspicion that those who decided for that never set foot in the countries considered for this (though I might be wrong). Though it is undeniable that there is talent there and we should try to make things easier to them, there is a limit and a compromise in making things not harder for other people as well. As someone familiar with 3rd w…

The locations seem like gimmicks to me quite a lot of times, and I don't mean ICLR conferences specifically. This time it happens to be politically motivated. At other times, it seems like they are picking exotic locations (Hawaii, Bahamas, etc.) because they know their university or company is going to fund it.

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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not sure why they dont do India - has significant consular presence in African countries (african medical tourism is huge in India) as well as being much easier to reach from Western countries. We also have constitutional protection for LGBT communities and privacy - something that Ethiopia lacks. The Indian govt will throw money at you if you do something like this here.

I don’t know that the Indian govt throws money at anything, so I’m not sure about that part.

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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post #7

I welcome the choice of moving the conference to a place where there are no logistic problems. As a scientist, however, I abhor organizations such as BlacksInAI: in science there’s no place for identity politics.

> in science there’s no place for identity politics

Sounds like a "theory vs practice thing". Do you believe that identity should not, and/or does not affect a person's ability to practice science to the best of their potential?

Of course I believe that in theory it should not but in practice it does. Organizations that try to correct, compensate, steer, etc. things towards where they should be, need to exist because things are not where they should be. There is nothing unscientific about it, but maybe you have data to prove otherwise. (I personally have no idea if BlacksInAI does this job well or not. The choice of Ethiopia in this case does not look great)

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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Lest you think this is a problem only for Africans & USA:

I was denied visa, going to present my paper at NIPS 2010 in Vancouver, Canada. Czech citizen (EU), PhD student at the time, with obvious ties to CZ.

I fully respect each country's right to refuse anyone, including without providing a reason (as was the case with me). I see it as "their loss" :-) You pesky computer scientists, stay away!

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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post #10

Unfortunately this sounds more like a gimmick than anything else. I have a small suspicion that those who decided for that never set foot in the countries considered for this (though I might be wrong). Though it is undeniable that there is talent there and we should try to make things easier to them, there is a limit and a compromise in making things not harder for other people as well. As someone familiar with 3rd w…

Just as a datapoint: the author of cURL basically can’t go to the US right now for.... some reason https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2018/07/28/administrative-purgat... The opaqueness of the US system is pretty high. I do agree that other places have bigger problems. There won’t be too many conferences in Saudi Arabia I bet.

I love Daniel and the amazing work he’s done over the last several years ... but that blog reads like a parody. He’s complaining about filling forms like it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened to him. Meanwhile, for folks who aren’t American/Canadian/European/Australian, this is just a regular Tuesday.

Typically when I file for visas I have to give detailed statements of all my bank accounts, all my investments, my income tax statements for the last 3 years, a list of all the places I’ve travelled, medical insurance, a letter from my employer guaranteeing that I’ll be back and god knows what else. This was for an Australian visa btw, that allows visa free travel if you’re American, Canadian or European.

That’s not even the half of it. A friend of mine applied for a Schenghen visa for a 6 day trip and got a 5 day visa. The border agent then harassed him on his way out for “overstaying” his visa.

Heaven forbid that people with privilege are subjected to the horrors of filling forms.

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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post #15

not sure why they dont do India - has significant consular presence in African countries (african medical tourism is huge in India) as well as being much easier to reach from Western countries. We also have constitutional protection for LGBT communities and privacy - something that Ethiopia lacks. The Indian govt will throw money at you if you do something like this here.

I don’t know that the Indian govt throws money at anything, so I’m not sure about that part.

here's a single point link to access all funding agencies - https://www.india.gov.in/research-development-funding-scheme...

here's the govt budget for AI - https://inc42.com/buzz/budget-2018-ai-ml/

NITI specifically recommends collaborative programs for funding (as well as ethics organizations) - http://niti.gov.in/writereaddata/files/document_publication/...

there's a crap ton of govt funding for initiatives like this. I interact with the NITI Aayog personally on this.

Re: Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to visa issues

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know that the Indian govt throws money at anything, so I’m not sure about that part.

here's a single point link to access all funding agencies - https://www.india.gov.in/research-development-funding-scheme... here's the govt budget for AI - https://inc42.com/buzz/budget-2018-ai-ml/ NITI specifically recommends collaborative programs for funding (as well as ethics organizations) - http://niti.gov.in/writereaddata/files/document_publication/... there's a crap ton of govt funding for initiatives like th…

Good to know.
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