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Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

What you're saying may well be true, but it has no bearing on the case in this article. Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind . Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it.

> Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind. Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it.

All over the world, sex-negative laws are disproportionately enforced against queer people (and specifically queer people of color). Sure, the statue here applies to all pornography/erotica, but that doesn't negate OP's point that it is not safe to be queer (or to produce content targeted at a queer audience).

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying may well be true, but it has no bearing on the case in this article. Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind . Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it.

> Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind. Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it. All over the world, sex-negative laws are disproportionately enforced against queer people (and specifically queer people of color). Sure, the statue here applie…

but that doesn't negate OP's point that it is not safe to be queer

Nor did I say that it did. In fact I said the opposite, in the very first words of my comment..."What you're saying may well be true...".

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Censorship of erotic material isn't a purely Chinese thing, other countries practice it at smaller scales. In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. That's not to say that…

> In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. The UK is hardly a touchstone of freedom of erotica. It's not just simulated rape - if you look at the full list of things cens…

I didn't reference that material because as far as I know, only the production of such pornography within the UK is illegalised, that is to say, it's still fine to possess and view it, download it etc. so long as you don't produce (or even sell?) it. Correct me if I'm wrong here, please.

But yeah, there's very little room for disagreement here, England is known for its ingrained doctrines of legal moralism and legal paternalism.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind. Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it. All over the world, sex-negative laws are disproportionately enforced against queer people (and specifically queer people of color). Sure, the statue here applie…

but that doesn't negate OP's point that it is not safe to be queer Nor did I say that it did. In fact I said the opposite, in the very first words of my comment... "What you're saying may well be true..." .

You said

> but it has no bearing on the case in this article

Except it very much does have bearing on this case.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

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Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

but that doesn't negate OP's point that it is not safe to be queer Nor did I say that it did. In fact I said the opposite, in the very first words of my comment... "What you're saying may well be true..." .

You said > but it has no bearing on the case in this article Except it very much does have bearing on this case.

Except it very much does have bearing on this case.

That's your assumption, but without hard data about how many people have been sentenced for distributing gay pornography books vs. straight pornography books, it is exactly that...an assumption.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

That's true for every minority everywhere - for ethnic, religious and as you mentioned sexual minorities. The threat that the majority would turn the tables on you is always a future threat.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

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Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

Maybe that means something.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Censorship of erotic material isn't a purely Chinese thing, other countries practice it at smaller scales. In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. That's not to say that…

I would contend that there can be harms involved even with porn that you might consider harmless; harms such as addiction, damaged relationships, objectification of partners. Porn can damage minds.
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