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The State of JavaScript 2018

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Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by WA »

Good work Sacha! The data now gets more interesting, since it can be compared to previous years and trends become more clear.

What I find most interesting is "All JavaScript development is considered clumsy" – kidding.

What I find most interesting is the geographic distribution of tech. On HN, you mostly find positive comments on React + Vue, because they're super popular in the US. Other frameworks are popular in other countries. So while it probably makes sense to use React and/or Vue, if you're in a country that has a strong focus on, say, Angular, it might make more sense to improve the skills.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by drinchev »

s_kilk wrote: post #5

Ouch, the ratio of "would use again" to "would not use again" on AngularJS stunning, if not surprising: https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/

My bet is that Angular pushes for using TypeScript too much, which makes you wonder where to start. On the other hand ReactJS & Vue work with TypeScript, but are not designed to embrace it.

I've seen lots of questions about Angular on StackOverflow which should be classified as TypeScript questions, since they have nothing to do with Angular itself. I guess that's the confusing and non-attractive part of Angular.

TypeScript is awesome and I love to use it, but some of my clients ( freelancing ) don't want me to write TS code, since they are afraid that it will be harder to find a substitute and will increase complexity - both are reasonable arguments.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by sgdesign »

Digit-Al wrote: post #6
sgdesign wrote: post #2

Co-author of the survey here, thanks for posting! Happy to answer any questions :) (As long as the question is not something along the lines of "My favorite library Foo.js is doing pretty poorly in your survey, surely there must be an issue with your methodology?")

Not a question but a suggestion. I live in England and am very aware that the residents of Scotland and Wales don't like to be classed as "English". You might want to change the title to the more neutral (and correct) Britain, Great Britain, GB, United Kingdom, or UK.

Oh I didn't even see that, thanks for the feedback!

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by woutr_be »

drinchev wrote: post #13
s_kilk wrote: post #5

Ouch, the ratio of "would use again" to "would not use again" on AngularJS stunning, if not surprising: https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/

My bet is that Angular pushes for using TypeScript too much, which makes you wonder where to start. On the other hand ReactJS & Vue work with TypeScript, but are not designed to embrace it. I've seen lots of questions about Angular on StackOverflow which should be classified as TypeScript questions, since they have nothing to do with Angular itself. I guess that's the confusing and non-attractive part of Angular. Typ…

I've noticed this too. And I think it's a pretty big reason why people are abandoning Angular. A lot of frontend developers I work with just don't want to use Typescript (or are afraid to), I've found it incredibly hard to push for it here.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by k_ »

I hope Haxe[0] will make its way into this survey for next years, it's a solid JS (amongst other targets) transpiler alternative (better results than others, but less known).

Also, seems like a translation string is missing for vim (displayed as "tools.vim" in Other Tools > Text Editors)

[0]: https://haxe.org/

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by ksec »

People are generally happy with the development of JS the trends of always improving languages along with frameworks makes developing with JS makes developer increase in happiness for the third time in a row.

ES6 is good, TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow.

Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Ember hasn't moved a bit in three years with a declining of interest. I am also surprised no one is using preact. The Choice is now either React or Vue.js, I think Vue.js 3.0 will continue to move vue forward.

Given the amount of hype with GraphQL, I am surprised only 20% are actually using it. And nearly 50% are using Redux!

Backend is dominated by Express only, and Testing framework doesn't have a clear winner either.

And my biggest surprise is how Javascript turned from one of the most hated programming language ( besides PHP ? ) into being acceptable and loved.

I really wish other languages communities do a similar survey, Python, PHP, Ruby, Java, Rust etc... It will be interesting to see the trend and big picture.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by megous »

bigiain wrote: post #8

I guess people with javascript turned off are not the target market for this site, but I found this humorous: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2v31s94&s=9#.W_KD0idx2Rs

I can't see anything even with their js enabled. Seems like they depend on google analytics and fail if that's not loaded too.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by sgdesign »

k_ wrote: post #17

I hope Haxe[0] will make its way into this survey for next years, it's a solid JS (amongst other targets) transpiler alternative (better results than others, but less known). Also, seems like a translation string is missing for vim (displayed as "tools.vim" in Other Tools > Text Editors) [0]: https://haxe.org/

Thanks, I'll fix that. Regarding Haxe, sadly it didn't get many mentions this year so we probably won't include it as an "official" answer next year. Maybe in 2020 though!
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