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Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by tehwebguy »

Klonoar wrote: post #10
Adaptive wrote: post #3

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I used to pay for GSuite and still found my content being mined. With all due respect to Google, I find it hard to believe that they're as consistent as they believe with filtering paid vs free accounts across the service. I could be, and am open to being, wrong, though. I'm not Google. Just found myself with substantially less targeted advertising once I left. And actually that's slightly interesting - how does one…

> found my content being mined

How?

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by thrill »

josefresco wrote: post #5
exegete wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to summarize your conclusion so we all don't have to download the PDF?

For the lazy... > G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties. We offer our customers a detailed data processing amendment that describes our commitment to protecting customer data. Furthermore, if customers delete their data, we commit to deleting it from our systems w…

The specificity of "for advertising purposes" leaves wide open the likelihood that it is scanned for "their own purposes", per the question that was asked.

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by modernerd »

thrill wrote: post #13
josefresco wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the lazy... > G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties. We offer our customers a detailed data processing amendment that describes our commitment to protecting customer data. Furthermore, if customers delete their data, we commit to deleting it from our systems w…

The specificity of "for advertising purposes" leaves wide open the likelihood that it is scanned for "their own purposes", per the question that was asked.

Or for the purposes of, “spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files…”, which seems reasonable and fair.

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by emmab »

modernerd wrote: post #14
thrill wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specificity of "for advertising purposes" leaves wide open the likelihood that it is scanned for "their own purposes", per the question that was asked.

Or for the purposes of, “spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files…”, which seems reasonable and fair.

Would "anthropology for the purpose of strategy" be reasonable/fair?

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by jdavis703 »

kakaorka wrote: post #12

I believe Google is a surveillance company, and I like to think that anything they do has something to do with that. I would love someone to prove me wrong though, because what they're doing is so dystopian.

> would love someone to prove me wrong though

The burden of proof lies on the person making claims. I'm not asserting that your claims are wrong, but if you want people to take your statements seriously you need to provide proof.

In order to practice what I teach, here's an article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy).

EDIT: Fixed paragraph formatting

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by lmkg »

josefresco wrote: post #5
exegete wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to summarize your conclusion so we all don't have to download the PDF?

For the lazy... > G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties. We offer our customers a detailed data processing amendment that describes our commitment to protecting customer data. Furthermore, if customers delete their data, we commit to deleting it from our systems w…

In my (non-expert) opinion, one of the most important parts of the linked DPA is where Google claims that they are a Processor and not a Controller under GDPR.

A Controller has discretion of what processing takes place and how it is used. A Controller also has greater responsibilities under GDPR to both the data subject and to the authorities. If Google wants to limit their exposure to GDPR (and I see every indication that this is their current strategy), then they need to make sure they only carry out the processing activities outlined in the DPA.

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by craftyguy »

jdavis703 wrote: post #17
kakaorka wrote: post #12

I believe Google is a surveillance company, and I like to think that anything they do has something to do with that. I would love someone to prove me wrong though, because what they're doing is so dystopian.

> would love someone to prove me wrong though The burden of proof lies on the person making claims. I'm not asserting that your claims are wrong, but if you want people to take your statements seriously you need to provide proof. In order to practice what I teach, here's an article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) . EDIT: Fixed paragraph formatting

I mean, it's literally no secret that Google collects user information, contents of emails, browsing history, etc and uses it to target advertisements to users. If you use a google product or service for more than 5 minutes, you literally see it happening.

Re: Ask HN: If I use GSuite does Google mine my data for their own purposes?

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

It looks like a lot of people went straight to "Google said they don't scan your documents for advertising purposes" and skipped over your actual question, which was "does Google scan everything I do in Chrome when I'm logged in even if I pay for GSuite" and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
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