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George actually begins with more of a 'dż'.
I’m still learning Polish, but aren’t ‘rz’ and ‘ż’ pronounced exactly the same?
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
George actually begins with more of a 'dż'.
I’m still learning Polish, but aren’t ‘rz’ and ‘ż’ pronounced exactly the same?
Although @admitrov gave you a nice, long answer that may be correct (I'm no linguist), as a native Pole never in my life have I heard a difference between rz and ż. Same with ó and u, as well as ch and h.
If there really* was a difference, native speakers wouldn't have so much trouble with ortography.
*ch and h have historically been two different consonants but have gotten washed down into one.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m still learning Polish, but aren’t ‘rz’ and ‘ż’ pronounced exactly the same?
Although @admitrov gave you a nice, long answer that may be correct (I'm no linguist), as a native Pole never in my life have I heard a difference between rz and ż. Same with ó and u, as well as ch and h . If there really* was a difference, native speakers wouldn't have so much trouble with ortography. *ch and h have historically been two different consonants but have gotten washed down into one.
There is no difference between ż and rz, there is a difference between dż and drz.
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#14However oppressive the Prussian Partition could have been, they did recognize the law, in this case at least.
Under communism Drzymała wouldn't be unlikely to get threatened, beaten up or even killed by "unknown perpetrators" (secret police).
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I’m still learning Polish, but aren’t ‘rz’ and ‘ż’ pronounced exactly the same?
No, at least not in Standard Polish. There are three voiced sibilant affricates in Polish: d͡z, (alveolar) d͡ʐ, (retroflex) and d͡ʑ (palatal.) The sound of rz and ż is indeed always a voiced (laminar) retroflex sibilant, but and here's the important distinction, following a consonant, ż forms an affricate (the middle one above) but rz does not; instead they remain as 2 separate phonemes (again, dialectal variations m…
Although there are exceptions to it, eg. "budżet" (or budget) is typically pronounced as if it were spelled "budrzet", apparently owing to the French origin of the word.
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#16However oppressive the Prussian Partition could have been, they did recognize the law, in this case at least. Under communism Drzymała wouldn't be unlikely to get threatened, beaten up or even killed by "unknown perpetrators" (secret police).
Prussia respected the slave permissions one had - hardly an excuse
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“George” is probably a better example for English speakers than “journalist”, I think. The ‘g’ in George is typically a ‘drz’ sound.
Both of these should be /d͡ʒ/, which is an affricate. In some Polish dialects, "drz" is pronounced basically like that. But it seems to me (I'm not a native speaker, merely an observing linguist) that standard Polish does not in fact form an affricate here, but two separate consonants. Compare "dżem" (with an affricate) and "drzem" (with two separate consonants.) That's what's so hard to pronounce for English native…
Another fun word: "bezwzględny". Five consecutive consonants.
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#18why is this here? as a pole I don't understand what's the connection between this and hackernews?
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#19why is this here? as a pole I don't understand what's the connection between this and hackernews?
I may be under-thinking this, but getting a mobile house and moving it every 24 hours to peacefully circumvent "hostile" legislation against building houses, seems like a good hack.
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#20why is this here? as a pole I don't understand what's the connection between this and hackernews?
New title "Law hacker lives in a van (1904)"