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Firebug Metamorphosis

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Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#11

Post by erikpukinskis »

dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

I've pretty happily switched to Chrome, which seems to do everything I used to ask Firebug to do.

Although honestly I no longer use Firebug because I no longer use Firefox, and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

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Post by [deleted] »

rhodimus wrote: post #4
pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I develop exclusively in Firefox, and test on other browsers, so I use Firebug all the time. How well do other built-in tools compare to it?

I can only speak for the Chrome/Safari WebInspector, and they're good, but I find myself going back to Firebug if I have to do any serious debugging - personally I find there to be a big step up in usability with Firebug meaning I can work faster. It'll be interesting to see what happens to development tools when Firebug goes cross-browser.

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Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

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Post by [deleted] »

dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

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Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#14

Post by joshstaiger »

masklinn wrote: post #8
rhodimus wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak for the Chrome/Safari WebInspector, and they're good, but I find myself going back to Firebug if I have to do any serious debugging - personally I find there to be a big step up in usability with Firebug meaning I can work faster. It'll be interesting to see what happens to development tools when Firebug goes cross-browser.

> I find myself going back to Firebug if I have to do any serious debugging Why? What difference do you see between the browsers debugging-wise?

I use Chrome for many tasks, but there are little things I go back to FireBug for.

For some reason the WebKit request explorer doesn’t show cookie headers, for instance.

Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#15

Post by BrandonM »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #11
dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

I've pretty happily switched to Chrome, which seems to do everything I used to ask Firebug to do. Although honestly I no longer use Firebug because I no longer use Firefox, and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

My Firefox takes up less vertical real estate than Chrome. I use Tiny Menu, customize the toolbars to put everything into the menu bar, and use Tree-Style Tabs to show the tabs vertically along the right side. The best option I have at work is Chrome, and having the tabs along the top is much less usable compared to Tree-Style Tabs.

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#16

Post by masklinn »

joshstaiger wrote: post #14
masklinn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find myself going back to Firebug if I have to do any serious debugging Why? What difference do you see between the browsers debugging-wise?

I use Chrome for many tasks, but there are little things I go back to FireBug for. For some reason the WebKit request explorer doesn’t show cookie headers, for instance.

> For some reason the WebKit request explorer doesn’t show cookie headers, for instance.

Mmm indeed, that's interesting, I'd never noticed. It shows the Set-Cookie response headers but not the Cookie request ones.

Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#17

Post by catch23 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #11
dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

I've pretty happily switched to Chrome, which seems to do everything I used to ask Firebug to do. Although honestly I no longer use Firebug because I no longer use Firefox, and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

there are some things the chrome/webkit debugger still lacks compared to firebug though. I like how firebug always shows a stack trace when there are errors during runtime. In chrome/webkit, you just get a little red x in the console with an error message, but you have to find out the root cause yourself.

Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

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Post by masklinn »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #11
dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

I've pretty happily switched to Chrome, which seems to do everything I used to ask Firebug to do. Although honestly I no longer use Firebug because I no longer use Firefox, and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

> and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

Obscene? On OSX with Firefox 3.6 and Chrome 6, the difference is about the height of Firefox's tabs on top, with the web developer toolbar enabled. Disable/hide the web dev toolbar and the difference is a few pixels in favor of Chrome.

nb: status bar and bookmarks toolbar disabled in Firefox.

Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#19

Post by rottencupcakes »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #11
dboyd wrote: post #9

With no doubt, the Firebug team can take credit for changing the world of Web development. These guys aren't giving themselves enough credit. IMO, they can take credit for advancing the world of Web development. While the other development tools are (quickly) catching up, firebug is still leading the pack.

I've pretty happily switched to Chrome, which seems to do everything I used to ask Firebug to do. Although honestly I no longer use Firebug because I no longer use Firefox, and I no longer use Firefox because it takes up an obscene amount of vertical real estate compared to Chrome.

Personally I browse in Chrome, but the second I start debugging JS/AJAX i'll open Firefox and use that. It's 10x slower, it has Memory leaks up the wazoo, but firebug blows chrome's debugger out of the water.

Re: Firebug Metamorphosis

#20

Post by qeorge »

Support for full Firebug on other browsers, including mobile

This would change my life, much like the first appearance of Firebug. I would happily pay real money for this right now.

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