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Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by aerovistae »

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

#12

Post by ttarabula »

Gys wrote: post #3

> While initially the feature will require drivers to confirm lane changes [...], future versions of Navigate on Autopilot will allow customers to waive the confirmation requirement if they choose to. So at least technology wise my dream becomes true: a car that takes care of the biggest and most boring part of long drives, the highways. Hopefully legislation will follow soon...

I think this is still a super under appreciated point. The focus is often on full autonomy, but we don't need full autonomy in complex city driving environments to unlock a potential sea change in behavior. Imagine the impact of simply being able to trust your vehicle to do the heavy lifting for an hour to get you from, say, Sacramento to San Francisco, only needing to take control at the highway end points for 30 minutes on each end.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

#13

Post by wffurr »

bane wrote: post #6
wffurr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you consider US highways and streets to be well designed, given that they are objectively substantially more lethal to their users than European roads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

Yup, sure looks like Europe is substantially safer than the US in that map.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

#14

Post by wffurr »

RayVR wrote: post #5
wffurr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you consider US highways and streets to be well designed, given that they are objectively substantially more lethal to their users than European roads.

In what way are they “objectively substantially more lethal?”

Double the deaths per VMT.

https://www.newsweek.com/2014/04/04/you-drive-american-24806...

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

#15

Post by cma »

ttarabula wrote: post #12
Gys wrote: post #3

> While initially the feature will require drivers to confirm lane changes [...], future versions of Navigate on Autopilot will allow customers to waive the confirmation requirement if they choose to. So at least technology wise my dream becomes true: a car that takes care of the biggest and most boring part of long drives, the highways. Hopefully legislation will follow soon...

I think this is still a super under appreciated point. The focus is often on full autonomy, but we don't need full autonomy in complex city driving environments to unlock a potential sea change in behavior. Imagine the impact of simply being able to trust your vehicle to do the heavy lifting for an hour to get you from, say, Sacramento to San Francisco, only needing to take control at the highway end points for 30 mi…

Waiving the confirmation still doesn't get you there; you still will have to pay attention the whole time and have hands on the wheel at this point.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

#16

Post by y0ghur7_xxx »

> In both of these scenarios, until truly driverless cars are validated and approved by regulators, drivers are responsible for and must remain in control of their car at all times.

This makes it sound like it's just a problem with evil legislators not making it legal for Tesla drivers to drive without paying attention.

Is this the case?

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

amluto wrote: post #8

> Navigate on Autopilot can be customized to a driver’s preferences, including four settings for speed-based lane changes (Disabled, Mild, Average, or Mad Max). Mad Max is definitely a feature I want self-driving cars to have.

I agree, but to give Elon the benefit of the doubt for a moment, labeling it "Mad Max" may actually discourage people from setting their car to it (as people often perceive themselves to not be reckless), whereas labeling that setting something like "Often" may lead to it being selected more frequently. Of course, this can also backfire if people select "Mad Max" because it's the only one with a funny label.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #16

> In both of these scenarios, until truly driverless cars are validated and approved by regulators, drivers are responsible for and must remain in control of their car at all times. This makes it sound like it's just a problem with evil legislators not making it legal for Tesla drivers to drive without paying attention. Is this the case?

No, it's not. This can be read either as Tesla wants you to read it, that the only reason they're setting it this way is because legislators demand it, or the way you should read it, which is that Tesla will find any possible excuse to blame you for not paying enough attention when the car makes a mistake and kills you.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dkoston »

aerovistae wrote: post #11

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

That actually is a part of v9 autopilot but Tesla is never going to put that in writing.

The fixing of bugs like this without admission of guilt isn’t unique to Tesla. Apple, Google, Samsung, and many others do the same.

The reason they haven’t been buried in a lawsuit is because these are driver assistance features, not self driving features. It’s the responsibility of the driver to keep control of their car at all times.

Arguing that “people think they can drive with their hands off the wheel” isn’t a real legal argument. This is why Tesla warns drivers in documentation that they need to keep control of the car at all times.

This is the same legal argument that has caused warnings in microwave manuals about not putting animals inside them to dry them out. Just because someone misinterprets the capabilities of technology they purchase doesn’t mean the technology isn’t doing what it’s designed to do.

All self driving cars and driver assistance tools will be imperfect. The question is whether or not they are statistically safer than the average human. If you are an above average driver (by your record, not your impression of yourself), these tools may be unnecessary or may actually be worse for you. It’s the average and below average people that they do wonders for.

Please stop using one or two data points to form an opinion about something that has millions and millions of data points.

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